Orlando shooting survivor says he held door shut, trapping victims inside.

It comes at around 4:50.

As he kind of stumbles thru his response, he seems to jumble his story, "...people figure out another route".

Maybe he realized that he said something that he shouldnt have?

Could have just been really scared and went into "self preservation" mode.

But from a conspiratorial aspect, weve got a 3 hour response time, a family which seems to be politically connected and more odd circumstances surrounding the incident.

Why would you trap people inside?

I have read / heard this being reported earlier, it just doesn't make sense.

Giving the person the benefit of the doubt I would just guess he was in a panic or confused.

a reply to: gladtobehere

WOW, i guess you are right, how he doesn´t find any words after the reporter asked him about holding the door closed for other victims too, not only for the shooter.

But to be honest, he even looks like a wimpy hipster, i bet he knew exactly what he did there, just being a wimp and thinking only of himself, typical millenial egoist

a reply to: gladtobehere
Here.... Let me help you people that are trying to escape..... BY HOLDING THE EXIT DOORS SHUT!
Does this guy work for a government agency or something?

This is bizarre to me. It just makes no sense. If he hears shots coming closer, instinct would say run away. If he hears people banging and begging for help, instinct would say open the door.

This is not adding up.

If it's true, my God, what a colossal and tragic mistake. I hope he can overcome it. God forbid any of us are faced with that scenario.

a reply to: gladtobehere
How many stories are there now?
I heard that the SWAT team busted holes in the rear wall of the building and the shooter came out through one of the four holes and they shot him.
This says that he was distracted by an explosive device and shot after the SWAT team entered the building.

Is there ONE official story?

Apparently this guy is an actor as well, someone posted his IMDB page in another thread.

a reply to: gladtobehere

This is extremely disheartening and adds significantly to my previous thread. If this guy isn't an accomplice, then he's beyond retarded.

What an incompetent fool!

ETA: If it's the same guy, he was quoted saying, "Stay inside, stay inside", by one of the people trying to escape.

Link

He ran out the door and held it closed so the shooter couldn't get him...

basically, he pulled a shane...shoot the leg of your fellows so the zombies will get him and not you.


sorry folks, but what we have here is a coward and scumbag who purposefully tried to get the shooter murdering others so he could feel safe.

I got a lot of contempt for that guy. he has blood on his hands. I have no doubt plenty of people got shot that didn't have to die because of his actions. Good luck living that down buddy..just dont look in any mirrors and it should be ok.

What a brave and selfless soul.......

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
a reply to: gladtobehere

But to be honest, he even looks like a wimpy hipster, i bet he knew exactly what he did there, just being a wimp and thinking only of himself, typical millenial egoist

Pretty much. Dealing with these people as often as I do, I can tell you that the average "millennial hipster" is a contemptible breed of human. They have no warrior spirit or moral sense, it's all been snuffed out of them.

These are exactly the sorts of people the government and the elites are trying to "engineer." The bystander effect being so common today is bad enough, but now we literally have cowards locking people in rooms to save their own skins.

Of course, this is all assuming he didn't just mix up his words and meant to say something else.

a reply to: SaturnFX

I have to completely agree, the guy pulled a Jerry.



Though I'm not certified expert I did watch the video hoping to see some body language queues to see if he's lying or not. It definitely looked like he was lying to make himself not look like a coward.

such cowardly mentality. Recently a bus full of able bodied young people fled a bus where a slob was kicking the crap out of an 80 year old woman. No one did anything. The cities are full of cowards.

I don't know...I don't want to pass judgement on this man at this time due to the harsh reality of what he had to go thru. Yes it seems odd...I'd like to see a walk thru of the area that is being described before I call him a coward.

So according to him, he is in a small area with about 20 people who are bottlenecked trying to get out a door. He blocks the door into the area from the chaos so these 20 or so people have time to get out. From what he said, he held the door for 10-20 seconds. In his panic filled mind at that moment, he was the hero to those 20 or so people by giving them time to escape.

I don't know. Yes, some on the other side of that door could have gotten killed because of his actions, or maybe not. He could have been holding a door to a hundred bottlenecked on the other side wanting to get through. Those in the rear may have died no matter what.

It is easy to sit here safe and cozy and claim how smart and level headed you'd be in that situation. But for me, I won't judge him. Not because I think he was right, but because we don't function logically under panic. No one knows what they will do until they are in the fray.

*** Just wanted to add ... everyone is calling him a coward, but I think he's actually pretty brave telling this story on national TV ... you can tell he knows it doesn't sound good and that he's broken up about it. He's gonna get a lot of grief for his story, and once things settle for him and he has time to really contemplate what happened that night, it may eat him up alive.

Nevermind..My only question is why is there an exit that leads to an alley with no way out of it ?..

a reply to: gladtobehere

How convenient.

Makes no sense, at all, for him to keep people from escaping. But the admission will probably lay to rest the questions about an accomplice.

So...just how convenient. The questions are not laid to rest for me though.

I watched that report live and I won't judge him as many have. I wasn't there. If there were 20 people on his side of the door, he may have saved them all. Lord forbid any of us have this type of decision to make in our lifetime or have to deal with the repercussions of them. This man lived through something terrible and will be judged forever by the likes of others.

a reply to: Anathros

I survived a kidnapping, rape, and attempted hanging, when I was 15, by thinking rationally when I was certain I was about to be murdered -- and I was only a kid then. I felt like my brain was extra sharp that night. I kept envisioning my parents seeing my naked dead body hanging from a tree, my bra stuffed into my mouth.

So, I'll judge him and I don't care who judges me.

I saw the layout of the club. Exiting the patio was not a difficult feat. There was absolutely no good reason for him to hold the door closed. So, I don't know if I believe him. And if what he is saying is true, I have a very, very poor opinion of him.

I only have my own perspective to go on though, and I don't feel particularly sympathetic in this case. He was safe, at the point he held the door closed.

a reply to: Necrobile

I don't think you need body language. He clearly says "my goal was making sure that my best friend and (his?these?) people would have space"

My God, he held the door shot for 10-15 seconds, maybe longer. He heard the banging on the door. Heard how the shooting sounds were getting louder so the shooter must be coming closer, right? Closer to the door he was holding, trapping these people inside. Just to make sure he and his people would survive. F@!k everyone else right?

To be that guy....I wonder how he sleeps at night.