The Orlando Nightclub Shooter WAS NOT Alone

a reply to: GuidedKill

I'm quite familiar with those procedures. I tended bar in Florida. I also remember those one-way doors being locked at the beginning of a busy night and being unlocked at the end of the night, because it is simple to defeat the alarms.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Wasn't there a report that an off duty police officer opened fire on the shooter? Maybe this is where the reports of a second shooter come from? Honestly I haven't been following the story too closely (because, sad to say, it's "just" another mass shooting in America and the story and politics always play out the same) so I probably have that detail wrong.

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: GuidedKill

I'm quite familiar with those procedures. I tended bar in Florida. I also remember those one-way doors being locked at the beginning of a busy night and being unlocked at the end of the night, because it is simple to defeat the alarms.

There is no doubt that the employees or bar owners could have locked the doors for other reasons. However I would doubt that ALL emergency exits would have been locked. At least one or two would have been in view of a bouncer or other employees and wouldn't require to locked. Surely if ALL exits were simultaneously blocked, locked, or barred that would increase the chance of nefarious intentions wouldn't it?

If it looks and smells like S*%t it most likely is S#&t right??

originally posted by: JIMC5499
a reply to: GuidedKill

I'm quite familiar with those procedures. I tended bar in Florida. I also remember those one-way doors being locked at the beginning of a busy night and being unlocked at the end of the night, because it is simple to defeat the alarms.

Well, if that's the case, then expect every single victim's family to file a civil suit. If they don't I find that suspect. But If any do, I'd bet money they won't win. (Much like Cinemark was absolved of negligence after the Aurora shootings.)

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anyone was inventing accomplices. I tried to logically account for the sound of more than one weapon. In a club the place is designed to move the sound all the way to the back. There was rapid fire shooting (from a video chat posted from the club). Really rapid fire and it did sound like more than one shooter. It sounded like a firing squad to me. The guy entered shooting. If he had an accomplice no one near the door saw him.

The girl who posted the video unfortunately is among the dead.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said anyone was inventing accomplices. I tried to logically account for the sound of more than one weapon. In a club the place is designed to move the sound all the way to the back. There was rapid fire shooting (from a video chat posted from the club). Really rapid fire and it did sound like more than one shooter. It sounded like a firing squad to me. The guy entered shooting. If he had an accomplice no one near the door saw him.

The girl who posted the video unfortunately is among the dead.

I quoted the portion of your comment that was relevant to my reply.

a reply to: GuidedKill

The guy came in shooting. There were multiple victims immediately. It took a moment before some people realised what was happening. They first thought it was the music. I doubt emergency exits were locked and don't they all open out? Push the bar push open the door right? To prevent a bottleneck in an emergency I thought they all had to open out.
Anyway a lot of people barricaded themselves in places with no exit like restrooms and dressing rooms. They said there were a lot of victims in those areas.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm not prone to believe conspiracy theories. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

the place had 300 plus people in it....approx. 200 got out

the irony behind the claim of a second suspect is the fact there is another thread on ATS covering a victim admitting he held the doors shut on tv.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I'm not prone to believe conspiracy theories. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Oh, so you believe that one lone hijacker was behind the four plane crashes on 9/11. And one lone man was responsible for the Boston marathon bombings.

Neat.

Or are you saying you only believe officially-sanctioned conspiracy theories?

I mean, there are conspiracy laws and RICO laws because even the government believes in some conspiracy theories.


ETA: Or is it that you don't believe the people with the most motive, means, & opportunity could ever be a part of a conspiracy? If so, I think it's pretty speshul that you give the biggest suspects the most benefit of the doubt!

originally posted by: sg1642
the irony behind the claim of a second suspect is the fact there is another thread on ATS covering a victim admitting he held the doors shut on tv.

Well that certainly lays the question to rest.

Not.

If someone was holding the door shut you would assume they are an accomplice and report it as such but it may be that it was just a guy thinking he is protecting his friends. I think it's important information to share that is very relevent to this thread and I'm not sure why it is being mocked?

originally posted by: LadyTrick
If someone was holding the door shut you would assume they are an accomplice and report it as such but it may be that it was just a guy thinking he is protecting his friends. I think it's important information to share that is very relevent to this thread and I'm not sure why it is being mocked?

Probably because it makes no sense to block the door. The guy claiming he held it closed was home free and so were his friends.

If my loved one died or was injured trying to get out that door, I would demand a full investigation into the person who prevented others from escaping.

A guy admitting holding the doors shut.

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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: sg1642
the irony behind the claim of a second suspect is the fact there is another thread on ATS covering a victim admitting he held the doors shut on tv.

Well that certainly lays the question to rest.

Not.

I'm not saying it does. It is more than possible that the person described earlier in this thread holding doors (and the question raised if he was involved) is the same person in the other thread.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: sg1642
the irony behind the claim of a second suspect is the fact there is another thread on ATS covering a victim admitting he held the doors shut on tv.

Well that certainly lays the question to rest.

Not.

Actually looking back that clears up the entire OP quite nicely. Unless you believe this to be a convenient cover story?

originally posted by: sg1642

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: sg1642
the irony behind the claim of a second suspect is the fact there is another thread on ATS covering a victim admitting he held the doors shut on tv.

Well that certainly lays the question to rest.

Not.

Actually looking back that clears up the entire OP quite nicely. Unless you believe this to be a convenient cover story?

Can't be ruled out.

So how the hell did this off duty police officer allow the shooter to execute 50 people? Did he fire off a few rounds and then turn tail and run? Pretty shameful if so. He should have followed the SOB into the bathroom.

And i thought after Columbine the policy was to always bust in instead of playing these hostage phone call games...so many questions.

I'm hearing from unnamed LE source second shooter suspect being held at local hospital under guard. Not being reported in media but person is male and of middle eastern decent. I'll post more when I hear it.