Orlando Nightclub Massacre

a reply to: Soloprotocol

What boyfriend? I read that the shooter was divorced and since remarried. He has at least one child. His first wife divorced him because he beat her.

... sorry for no source. I will try to add later when I am not mobile

Holy #

Dramatic Audio Captures The Moments A SWAT Team Entered Orlando’s Pulse Nightclub

a reply to: BlueAjah

I believe that was from CNN. Or at least that's where I think I saw it. Confirmed he was married at least once and had a child with the woman, and I recall seeing he had since remarried.

No idea where the boyfriend thing is coming from unless it's just speculation.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: BlueAjah

I believe that was from CNN. Or at least that's where I think I saw it. Confirmed he was married at least once and had a child with the woman, and I recall seeing he had since remarried.

No idea where the boyfriend thing is coming from unless it's just speculation.

Well he was in touch with the LGBT community well before the shooting which may lean towards a jilted gay lover as a motive. Just because he was married does not mean he was in the closet. They say he hated gays with a vengeance but I think maybe he was a frustrated homosexual and couldn't deal with those feelings rationally and took it out on fellow LGBT community members.

originally posted by: JohnMandell

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: BlueAjah

I believe that was from CNN. Or at least that's where I think I saw it. Confirmed he was married at least once and had a child with the woman, and I recall seeing he had since remarried.

No idea where the boyfriend thing is coming from unless it's just speculation.

Well he was in touch with the LGBT community well before the shooting which may lean towards a jilted gay lover as a motive. Just because he was married does not mean he was in the closet. They say he hated gays with a vengeance but I think maybe he was a frustrated homosexual and couldn't deal with those feelings rationally and took it out on fellow LGBT community members.

It is speculation.
I heard through a long section of the thread that we couldn't call him a radical Islamic, even after the word was out from the FBI.... and now we are supposed to believe that he was gay and killed 49 people in a gay club because he was jilted by a gay lover with pretty much zero confirmation?

originally posted by: Konduit
Holy #

Dramatic Audio Captures The Moments A SWAT Team Entered Orlando’s Pulse Nightclub

Very ominous indeed.

Wow... I wish it was a little more clear. I can't quite make out the commands that are being shouted with all the background noise.

What is the hammering noise from? Do we know?

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: gps777

One thing I have been trying to understand:

This gunman was obviously outnumbered by over 300 to 1. Even if he had a weapon, wasn't there at least one person with the courage to tackle this guy before he could continue shooting? A few brave people could have stood up to him to save the others.

I hear ya, but we also don't know the logistics of the situation quite yet. There very well could have been a few who tried and met a tragic end. I have already read stories of some of the dead who were helping others escape.

FOX just reported The pos terrorist made two trips to Saudi Arabia in 2012.

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

Sounds like a team leader telling the team to get coverage on the hole and then telling the armored vehicle to "lower the boom."

According to the chief, they had a less than optimal breach and had to clear the hole they had made to try and gain entry to the building. At some point the shooter came to the hole and that's when they firefight broke out.

a reply to: SomeDumbBroad

From listening closely to the audio, it sounds like SWAT yells "throwing a bomb", there is a loud thud/pop, the shooter yells "allah akbar" then fires 2-3 shots before a barrage from about 20 automatic weapons wipe him from existence. The rest of video they seem to be clearing the building.

My guess is that SWAT was using stun grenades, since you hear multiple pops throughout the video. No idea what that hammer sound is though.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Soloprotocol

What boyfriend? I read that the shooter was divorced and since remarried. He has at least one child. His first wife divorced him because he beat her.

... sorry for no source. I will try to add later when I am not mobile

Plenty of people live a lie mate. Hillary has one Child, is married to Bill. Doesn't stop the speculation that she has a fondness for munching rug.

I have friends and colleagues who are Muslim and are great peaceful people . However you can't deny their isn't an issue today within the Muslim community that can't be overlooked. We can argue why that is and IMO its not because of ISLAM but rather other economic factors intermingled with hate ,anger, revenge, and scapegoat.

The guy stated his pledge to ISIS and his background as a muslim can't be denied and his fathers ties to anti America efforts can't be overlooked. What the MSM, GOP,DNC,Obama, and the POTUS running candidates are doing is BS by trying to make it fit nicely into their agenda and party lines. Its not that simple and the American people should be treated like adults and told the truth even when its not convenient.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: JohnMandell

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: BlueAjah

I believe that was from CNN. Or at least that's where I think I saw it. Confirmed he was married at least once and had a child with the woman, and I recall seeing he had since remarried.

No idea where the boyfriend thing is coming from unless it's just speculation.

Well he was in touch with the LGBT community well before the shooting which may lean towards a jilted gay lover as a motive. Just because he was married does not mean he was in the closet. They say he hated gays with a vengeance but I think maybe he was a frustrated homosexual and couldn't deal with those feelings rationally and took it out on fellow LGBT community members.

It is speculation.
I heard through a long section of the thread that we couldn't call him a radical Islamic, even after the word was out from the FBI.... and now we are supposed to believe that he was gay and killed 49 people in a gay club because he was jilted by a gay lover with pretty much zero confirmation?

Speculation but a possible motive nevertheless. He was part of the LGBT scene even if it was on the fringes. There are reports he tried to friend the owner of another LGBT club so that is at least some confirmation he had contact with the community. He may have gotten to the point where he couldn't control his attraction to men and due to his beliefs, that sent him over the edge. Or he was reaching out to a potential lover and he was rejected furthering his downward spiral of self-loathing.

If it wasn't just Muslim Extremism as has been eluded to in many news reports and even in this thread, we have to look elsewhere for answers. Was the primary motive a self hating Homosexual or was it a radical Muslim extremism? Maybe a bit of both?

a reply to: interupt42

Its not that simple and the American people should be treated like adults and told the truth even when its not convenient.

It would be great if our society acting in that way. The not convenient is the power to be gained and money to be made. At least there are a few attempting to reveal truths but it has become a risky job.

Let's not beat around the bush here. It's been confirmed that the shooter called 911 and pledged his allegiance to ISIS, and there are now eye witness accounts stating that he was yelling Allah Akbar.

Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance

a reply to: JohnMandell

Or he was reaching out to a potential lover and he was rejected furthering his downward spiral of self-loathing.

The man seemed to like selfies. That must state something about his personality. Was it part of his search for others or just ego.

originally posted by: JohnMandell

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: BlueAjah

I believe that was from CNN. Or at least that's where I think I saw it. Confirmed he was married at least once and had a child with the woman, and I recall seeing he had since remarried.

No idea where the boyfriend thing is coming from unless it's just speculation.

Well he was in touch with the LGBT community well before the shooting which may lean towards a jilted gay lover as a motive. Just because he was married does not mean he was in the closet. They say he hated gays with a vengeance but I think maybe he was a frustrated homosexual and couldn't deal with those feelings rationally and took it out on fellow LGBT community members.

No his father said 2 weeks ago he became very upset seeing two guys kissing in public. This is contrary to his religion and I guess made a big deal of it so even his father makes a comment. He wasnt gay very unlikely scenario. Most likely some trouble in his life or someone turned him on to a devout muslim so his tolerance level went way down.

a reply to: dragonridr

If it were only that easy. There is likely more to this than one incident. Does a devote Muslim beat women on a frequent basis.

I could swear when I went to bed last night there were 50 people murdered. Now I see 49 on the front page of every website. (Mandela effect.) Wasn't it 50, all weekend?

originally posted by: carewemust
I could swear when I went to bed last night there were 50 people murdered. Now I see 49 on the front page of every website. (Mandela effect.) Wasn't it 50, all weekend?

50 included the BAD GUY. He was killed by the SWAT team and was initially included as a victim. They removed him from that list.