State police swiping motorist debit, prepaid cards to seize money.

a reply to: ColeYounger

They can find out if you obtained that money from an unverifyable source by checking your bank records.

Let's say you get pulled over and you arouse the suspicion of the officer and they find 7,000 dollars in your pocket. And you say I won it big in Vegas.

Well guess what... That vague statement now has to backed up with proof. If they check your bank statement and see deposits of lots of money from an ATM machine they are going to ask you more questions.

And again the reason why they can in fact do this now is because all employers are now required to send you money via direct deposit.

***at least in my current state it is mandatory that all companies pay their employees via direct deposit.

So, since this is the norm in my state, any innocent person carrying around that cash will easily hand over their bank card to prove that their transactions are 100% verifiable.

So guess what that opens up for the new underworld scheme of things. More false entries of bank records in Mexico. Which if someone in the United States is smart enough they would be getting themselves signed up through square up, and doing multiple transactions with dummy accounts to launder the money. Will it work? I don't know. Maybe it will but it would be easily spotted by the FBI. But not the police.

Taxi drivers see thousands of dollars every month. Uber drivers also go through that much money at any given time. I wonder why it is so hard to launder money in the US when all it takes is a bribe. I myself have thought critically about this for years but I never tried it. I just know that a connection could easily be made right then and there.


But again... The reason why this bill won't go away is due to the perception of your every day innocent civilian being more than willing to prove their innocence.

I don't see this one getting vetoed at all. Unless dirty politicians get involved.

Using a new device called an ERAD, or Electronic Recovery and Access to Data machine, Oklahoma Highway Patrol officers can now swipe debit or prepaid cards if they suspect a driver of obtaining money contained in their bank accounts illegally.

Large sums in hand being taken doesn't require hitting cards. What happened to being convicted first. OK state one man mobile judge/jury system?

a reply to: ColeYounger

The cops should be required to prove I'm engaging in illegal activity. According to the idiot state patrol officer in the article, he can take your money. YOU have to prove that you're NOT doing something illegal. That's insane.

Guilty until proven innocent. That sure makes it easy for enforcement. No need to do detective work.

a reply to: Klassified

How do you report stolen cash? I remember a while back my movie theater got hit for 5g's. About two weeks later you see a news story pop up where cops busted a man with over 10 pounds of marijuana inside of his car, and carrying around about 4,250 dollars in cash. We all made the assumption that was the guy who stole our money because it was too close to home to be considered just a coincidence.

But again how do you report stolen money? Do you ever keep track of every single serial number that you take out of your bank account? Do you keep records of each bill you ever had your hands on by that serial number? Does any company in the entire United States do that besides casinos?

No.. So how do you report your stolen 10 million dollars if you obtained it illegally? You'd be sent to federal prison for tax evasion for reporting stolen cash bro.

So again.... And I am asking everyone on here to answer honestly. How much cash have you ever held in your pockets outside of your job? Because if you are like the other 99% of the working class chances are you put your money straight into your banking account from your job. And I do not know a lot of male strippers doing that. And taxi drivers are usually always in their cab driving around even if they are off the clock. So again... I really don't see this bill getting knocked out because of the norm that has been established in society.

And I don't see any true innocent civilian going to court over this. I really don't see it being possible. Especially considering the amount of intelligence the police departments across the globe have on their every day targets. I do believe some cases are fraudulent. Don't get me wrong I keep an open mind but honestly this bill?

That Meth dealer better say he is a taxi driver as his trade when questioned about his money. Otherwise he is toast.

a reply to: dogstar23

Prevents the magnetic strips on your cash from being read too so the cops don't know that you even have cash on you. Time to go back to writing checks and leave the debit/credit cards at home where I can shop online.

People, you need to read the source material from Oklahoma Watch's website. This BS of using InfoWars as a source is getting out of hand.

They can only seize assets from a PREPAID debit card. They cannot just seize your actual bank account (Wells Fargo, Chase, etc.) on the side of the road. It has to be through a court procedure.

Stop believing this over-exaggerated, fear-mongering garbage from Alex Jones and his ilk. People get so gullible and believe everything that comes from King Fear Monger himself and they don't check sources.

a reply to: whitewave

Why not buy that coin 2.0 card? The card that allows you to set a password on your debit and credit cards? That way the police, even if they have the card, can't swipe the card if they don't know the password.

Also if I was about to go buy a car with my own funds and no loan, I would use my debit card to make the purchase. In fact some places only accept cashiers check for large sums of money on a purchase. And at my bank cashiers checks don't cost anything.

In my opinion carrying around anything more than 100 dollars on you is stupid. You have a card for extra security. Why wouldn't you use that security measure in your favor? I guess I should start robbing people carrying cash at car lots.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Civil forfeiture criteria is established by the prosecuting attorney and not the police. With that said its a vile action that should require probable cause on scene or a warrant.

Not a very good way to ensure officer safety. Few things will have me swinging hands quicker than messing with my families money.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

There is more to this story. I saw this and had to make a video about it. The most important part that this story is missing, is that the officers GET A CUT. The way this works is that the officers involved in the investigation get a certain percentage of the stolen property, and divide it between themselves. The remainder then goes to the departments themselves. If more than one agency is involved, then officers from both agencies get a commission. This operates federally too. If you see federal agents rolling around in awesome cars and big houses, this is why. Every drug bust is a huge profit for the feds, operating out of self interest and greed. Even if the defendant wins the case, it is next to impossible to get your money back.

This is why cops are so aggressive, because they need to be able to manufacture suspicion so that they can add a new pool to their home. Policing for profit is a crime against humanity in my opinion. Notice the weasely way this guy talks about the tactics used behind this.
Here is my breakdown:
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originally posted by: GiulXainx
a reply to: whitewave

Why not buy that coin 2.0 card? The card that allows you to set a password on your debit and credit cards? That way the police, even if they have the card, can't swipe the card if they don't know the password.

Also if I was about to go buy a car with my own funds and no loan, I would use my debit card to make the purchase. In fact some places only accept cashiers check for large sums of money on a purchase. And at my bank cashiers checks don't cost anything.

In my opinion carrying around anything more than 100 dollars on you is stupid. You have a card for extra security. Why wouldn't you use that security measure in your favor? I guess I should start robbing people carrying cash at car lots.

Everything you say is true.

But, despite all that, terms like "freedom" and "liberty" should still mean something. If i want to carry 20k in my backpocket for "reasons", that should be good enough.

Im sorry. But someone else's drug problem is not a predicate for screwing with me. Nor is 9/11. I didn't bring the towers down. What Civil Asset Forfeiture really boils down to is local governments deciding that they can steal from a segment of society that no one wants to defend. And its wrong.

a reply to: _BoneZ_

And it being infowars changes what, exactly?

I send my mom money by loading prepaids for her. So the onus is on her to show that she's NOT a criminal because she has prepaid cards that can, and often times do, have significant amounts of money on them?

Hate to say it because I loathe him as much as anybody else, but Alex jones has precisely dick to do with this story. Any number of reputable MSM sources are running the story and every one of them has at least one quote from a trooper saying its up to YOU to prove you have them for legitimate reasons.

And THAT is the problem. This is one instance where I don't give a damn if Alex Jones has the story or not, seeing as Washington Post has it, as do other various other Oklahoman media sources.

a reply to: GiulXainx

Read my other comment, the cops get a cut of the money, and the rest actually goes to the departments. The only people that benefit from this is the police.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Chock up one more state I refuse to visit now.

a reply to: FaunaOrFlora

Outside the Sooners, and some family in the panhandle, I can't think of a whole lot that I'd rather do in Oklahoma than Texas.

a reply to: dogstar23

that depends on who gets nominated to the supreme court. Do you really think another person along the lines of sotomayor would rule against this?

Jaden

a reply to: Winstonian

Yea not sure where you heard individual officers get a cut of forfeitures. Paying salary is actually explicitly prohibited except in the case of overtime or officers in their first year of employment, in which case the money can be used for that.

And there are several states that outright bar the use of forfeiture for law enforcement purposes, and several others that have limits on how much can be put towards law enforcement.

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By no means is it all that heavily restricted but the blanket statement that individuals get a cut is laughable, except in a very roundabout way involving taking overtime shifts.

ETA - in no way am I saying I think civil forfeiture is the bee's knees or anything close to that. It's a program completely and utterly ripe for abuse, and the oversight is sorely lacking. But I find the statement that it winds up in an officer's paycheck, to be blunt, comical.

a reply to: DeathSlayer

Not that I would ever go to Oklahoma even to see Jesus live in concert.

Enjoy that weather. :p

originally posted by: Shamrock6
And it being infowars changes what, exactly?

InfoWars is claiming any debit card/bank account can be seized. That is not true. Only pre-paid. They spin the story, every, single, time.

Needlessly creating fear where there doesn't need to be any. That's why he's King Fear Monger.

a reply to: GiulXainx

Bull#. My employer still pays with physical checks. No they can't legally do that. There's a thing called the 4th amendment. lol.

They can't pass a law that makes it legal to do that. Not without 3/4ths of the states and 2/3rds of congress also saying that they can.

Jaden

BTW, there is and CANNOT be anything illegal about getting money from an unverifiable source. The honus is ALWAYS on the state, that we allow them to usurp authority not given to them, does NOT change that fact.