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originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: tommo39
Could say he was a coward/treason, but I would have faked a religion to get out of war too, like many others. Oh and he wasn't the greatest. He was the greatest entertainer but not the best boxer of all time. Sugar ray Robinson is regarded as better.
originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: Spider879
So cos he didn't go to Canada, that means that he didn't join the religion to avoid his duty to his country. I agree with his political stance on it, and I admitted I would have done similar things, but to ignore the obvious reason for it is just silly.
Many people in america would see it as treason or some other similar definition. He had a duty to serve his country and hid behind a religion. He felt he was better than the average man (defo in terms of charisma) and didn't need to serve the country that provided for him (let's not get too political, plz no BP quotes ).
If sugar ray proclaimed to be the greatest on a consistent basis, he would have been regarded as the greatest. He just didn't self proclaim. Simple. 91 fight wins in a row is a different league.
On April 28, 1967, with the United States at war in Vietnam, Ali refused to be inducted into the armed forces, saying “I ain’t got no quarrel with those Vietcong.” On June 20, 1967, Ali was convicted of draft evasion, sentenced to five years in prison, fined $10,000 and banned from boxing for three years. He stayed out of prison as his case was appealed and returned to the ring on October 26, 1970, knocking out Jerry Quarry in Atlanta in the third round. On March 8, 1971, Ali fought Joe Frazier in the “Fight of the Century” and lost after 15 rounds, the first loss of his professional boxing career. On June 28 of that same year, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction for evading the draft.
www.history.com...
originally posted by: Arizonaguy
It seems Piers Morgan finds himself in the spotlight, perhaps unwillingly. Seems a tweet that just may have some truth to it has upset the usual suspects...
Piers Morgan poked the hornets’ nest Sunday when he highlighted a double standard among Muhammad Ali’s fans — that the late boxer espoused more radical views on race than Donald Trump.
www.breitbart.com...
As you can see by the tweets and the videos in the link, Big mouth Piers does make a pretty good argument. The question is, is it fair to bring up everything about a well known and respected figure, good and bad, and let the world judge them on those merits?It seems that if you talk about a well respected figure, there are always some bugaboos involved. Ghandi, MLK, Ronald Reagan, Etc., it doesn't matter, they're human and have shortcomings and faults. So is Piers within the margin of error here? Is the outrage directed against him warranted?
originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: Arizonaguy
I don't remember Ali running for president on a hateful rhetoric ticket so why is Piers playing the race card?
originally posted by: SprocketUK
Apples and oranges.
No one ever treated Trump like a second class citizen because of the colour of his skin (was it always orange)?
They did that to Ali though.
Why shouldn't he have a little bitterness as a result?
From what I've seen and read, he grew out of it. Isn't that all any of us can do?
Pierce should look in a mirror sometime.
(BTW I don't buy a lot of what's aimed at Trump either, it's generally the left who skew the debate on immigration into something that involves hating on a group).
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: SprocketUK
Apples and oranges.
No one ever treated Trump like a second class citizen because of the colour of his skin (was it always orange)?
They did that to Ali though.
Why shouldn't he have a little bitterness as a result?
From what I've seen and read, he grew out of it. Isn't that all any of us can do?
Pierce should look in a mirror sometime.
(BTW I don't buy a lot of what's aimed at Trump either, it's generally the left who skew the debate on immigration into something that involves hating on a group).
Bitterness twards those who have wronged you is perfectly fine..
Bitterness tward a whole race of people because of the actions of some....now that is a whole nother ball game, and literally the definition of racism.
It was a different time then though and that kinda talk wasn't really addressed on either side.
The whole point of not being racist is that you DO NOT judge a whole group of people because of the way they were born, or who their parents were.
I'm just saying that the undeniable hypocracies associated with American culture's veiw on race has hurt the left's case.
Where would racists go if they were the only one using the N word?
Where would they go if there were no BET, or really it's name was changed lol.
Where would they go if BLM had claimed "All lives matter"?
No where that was logically defensible....
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