Gary Johnson wins Libertarian presidential nomination at party convention

a reply to: CynConcepts

You describe what Trump and Bernie are: viable alternatives. 2/3 of Americans are disgusted with the establishment so they are voting Trump and Bernie. Bernie, however, is a socialist and would literally bern this country to the ground.

Divide more on the Republican side but not the Democrat side? Unless Bernie runs as an Independent, that's a guarantee win for Hillary.

The most viable choice is Trump. He has common sense, leadership skills, and has the right mindset.

a reply to: CynConcepts

If this were a sensible election I think that Libertarian would be a sensible third choice. But this election is bringing out a malignancy in the electorate that out strips sensibility. Trumps presence has like an infection beneath the skin, turned much of the electorate into a festering boil of myopic self assuredness. To many people on both sides have invested too much emotion into backing their "here to save America" candidate to even consider a rational choice like the Libertarians.

No, I think this boil which is the present body politic of the United States needs to play itself out until the poisons beneath the skin erupt and the infections of the present system can be overcome. Voting Libertarian would for my money just be a band aid on the problem.

originally posted by: ninjadan9
a reply to: CynConcepts

You describe what Trump and Bernie are: viable alternatives. 2/3 of Americans are disgusted with the establishment so they are voting Trump and Bernie. Bernie, however, is a socialist and would literally bern this country to the ground.

Divide more on the Republican side but not the Democrat side? Unless Bernie runs as an Independent, that's a guarantee win for Hillary.

The most viable choice is Trump. He has common sense, leadership skills, and has the right mindset.

You are missing my point...I believe many independents and the younger generation are trying to send a message. If Bernie doesn't get the nod, Clinton's camp just assumes the young ones will write his name in or not vote at all. Now, Johnson's run adds an alternative to telling the DNC and GOP...they should have listened.

Honestly, I thought for sure Trump would calm down after he reached his magic number. He did not! I have a difficult time believing he is not in this just to ensure Clinton victory. So, I don't want to play any games.

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: CynConcepts

If this were a sensible election I think that Libertarian would be a sensible third choice. But this election is bringing out a malignancy in the electorate that out strips sensibility. Trumps presence has like an infection beneath the skin, turned much of the electorate into a festering boil of myopic self assuredness. To many people on both sides have invested too much emotion into backing their "here to save America" candidate to even consider a rational choice like the Libertarians.

No, I think this boil which is the present body politic of the United States needs to play itself out until the poisons beneath the skin erupt and the infections of the present system can be overcome. Voting Libertarian would for my money just be a band aid on the problem.

Honestly, I have never considered any other parties in the past. I think because this election has extremely turned into Looneyville, is exactly why the Liberterian Party will be looked at by more Americans!

a reply to: atomish

Neat link to "ISideWith", thanks for posting. My top match was Johnson (81%) and I know precious little about him other than the major talking points. Now I'm going to check him out more. Maybe I'll actually vote.

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: atomish

Neat link to "ISideWith", thanks for posting. My top match was Johnson (81%) and I know precious little about him other than the major talking points. Now I'm going to check him out more. Maybe I'll actually vote.

Hey, I'm glad someone actually checked it out! I think it's a great tool and it certainly speaks to Johnson's confidence in his assertion that most Americans are actually libertarian (little L) and they just don't know it.

Were you surprised at any of your other results? I am 90% matched with Johnson which has didn't surprise me at all but the 73% alignment with Clinton certainly threw me!

a reply to: atomish

txs for taking the time, I was hoping for an unfiltered (as in not a sales pitch) response from someone who knows the candidate and you came through!

he is an interesting fellow

a reply to: CynConcepts

The Trouble with Libertarian's is that they Do Not Appeal to the Masses with their Self Centered Ideology . This take it or Leave it Mentality assures that a Libertarian will Never hold the Highest Office in the Land . Libertarian's cannot Politically Evolve from their Base Beliefs , and are Doomed to Political Oblivion because of that .

I listened to him a little bit the other night on a news show. His ideologies would finish us off.

originally posted by: syrinx high priest
a reply to: atomish

txs for taking the time, I was hoping for an unfiltered (as in not a sales pitch) response from someone who knows the candidate and you came through!

he is an interesting fellow

No problem at all, friend. I'm happy to help!

Gary Johnson is the only sensible choice right now. Unfortunately, many people don't even know that he is running! Millions of people don't even know there is a 3rd party nominee!

Media gives them no publicity and most people only get their information from their favorite news station.

originally posted by: angeldoll
I listened to him a little bit the other night on a news show. His ideologies would finish us off.

You are certainly entitled to that opinion. I can respect it.

If he isn't your guy, he isn't your guy. But at least you are making a decision informed by actually having heard the candidate out. A lot of people won't even give him a chance.

If you have any particular issue(s) you feel strongly about his stance on that you want to talk about, I am more than willing to discuss them as well.

Regardless, I may not LIKE your opinion but I absolutely respect it and I appreciate that you took the time to listen to him before you passed judgement.

originally posted by: Pyrrho
Gary Johnson is the only sensible choice right now. Unfortunately, many people don't even know that he is running! Millions of people don't even know there is a 3rd party nominee!

Media gives them no publicity and most people only get their information from their favorite news station.

It is frustrating. Being barred from the polls gets you barred from the debates, even though he will be on every single ballot. Being barred from the media gets you barred from the polls.

It's typical Republican-Democrat collusion to prevent insurrection, aka us putting them out on their asses.

originally posted by: atomish

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
No thanks.

Gary Johnson thinks that upholding the law and "deporting 11 million illegal immigrants is crazy".

I disagree with Johnson %100 here. Wages would much higher in the construction sectors, and the labor sectors in general (im talking double or triple) if not for all the illegal competition.

So based on this one issue, this stance makes him a worse candidate than Trump or Hillary?

Not being snarky, genuinely interested in your take.

Definitely not. But that issue resonates strong with me.

To be fair I dont know what Johnson's ideas are to remedy the aforementioned situation.

Perhaps you could point me to a good source of information displaying his stance on major issues? (Preferably a video and particularly the immigration issue).

The term "Spoiler Alert" has it's own meaning with good ole Gary.

originally posted by: atomish

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: atomish

Neat link to "ISideWith", thanks for posting. My top match was Johnson (81%) and I know precious little about him other than the major talking points. Now I'm going to check him out more. Maybe I'll actually vote.

Hey, I'm glad someone actually checked it out! I think it's a great tool and it certainly speaks to Johnson's confidence in his assertion that most Americans are actually libertarian (little L) and they just don't know it.

Were you surprised at any of your other results? I am 90% matched with Johnson which has didn't surprise me at all but the 73% alignment with Clinton certainly threw me!

Actually, I was Surprised with a lot of the updated current issued questions on this survey. It was all close for me. Johnson 79%, Bernie 73%, Trump 72%, and Hillary fell in at 59%! Haha. Basically, confirmed why I am frustrated this election. I have to start checking folks off based on my negative gut reactions...to end up with one to vote for! Sigh.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
No thanks.

Gary Johnson thinks that upholding the law and "deporting 11 million illegal immigrants is crazy".

I disagree with Johnson %100 here. Wages would much higher in the construction sectors, and the labor sectors in general (im talking double or triple) if not for all the illegal competition.

Are you going to tell me that you 100% agree with the other candidates promises? As individuals, we will never fully agree with another 100%. One can only make their own personal list on what is good for them individually, for we all have biases. For me, I can't vote for Clinton or Trump. They both do flip flop too much. There is no truth, just pandering.

That's a big negative. However the immigration issue is very important to me. As I mentioned to the poster above, to be fair I haven't heard Johnson's remedy to the situation. So therefore my judgement my be premature. I do have an alternative idea that would not include deporting all of the illegals. If he mentions that idea he might just have my vote. I'm (a lot) uneducated in the area of where Johnson's stances are. Perhaps you could educate me

Forgive me for my ignorance but I just haven't heard enough about the libertarian party to pique my interest.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: atomish

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
No thanks.

Gary Johnson thinks that upholding the law and "deporting 11 million illegal immigrants is crazy".

I disagree with Johnson %100 here. Wages would much higher in the construction sectors, and the labor sectors in general (im talking double or triple) if not for all the illegal competition.

So based on this one issue, this stance makes him a worse candidate than Trump or Hillary?

Not being snarky, genuinely interested in your take.

Definitely not. But that issue resonates strong with me.

To be fair I dont know what Johnson's ideas are to remedy the aforementioned situation.

Perhaps you could point me to a good source of information displaying his stance on major issues? (Preferably a video and particularly the immigration issue).

I posted a bit of good general resources on him near the bottom of the first page, which includes his OnTheIssues Page which covers immigration.

I don't know how to embed video but here is an interview he had with Tapper, Immigration chat begins around 3:30 here. I am guessing based on your comments that you will have heard most of what he has had to say.

I'm pretty sure he is in favor of a 2 year grace period to get illegal workers' visas, he is not in favor of a wall or mass deportations. Some additional background as close as I can recall, he was governor of a border state and before getting into politics he ran a very successful multi-million dollar construction company. This may color his opinion, you may know better than I since this is not an area I'm particularly versed in.

Look, I totally get your disdain for his stance on Immigration. Maybe it will be closer to something you can support than what I've explained but likely not. I get it, I agree with some of it but wish he were just a bit tougher in this area. Whereas certain groups want to keep them here to take advantage of them, I would like to think he is not part of those groups but it is so hard to say.

While this issue does weigh in for me, it sounds like it registers much higher on your list and I absolutely respect that. Certain issues will always hit closer to home for some of us than others. As long as you hear them all out and make the choice you honestly feel is best for you and all of us, what more could one ask for?

If you have any further questions or want to discuss this issue or any of his other stances in greater detail, I am more than happy to oblige. Not trying to convert anyone, just enjoy hearing people's viewpoints. It's impossible to find your voice in an echo chamber.

Thanks for your response and I hope I answered your questions!

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: atomish

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: atomish

Neat link to "ISideWith", thanks for posting. My top match was Johnson (81%) and I know precious little about him other than the major talking points. Now I'm going to check him out more. Maybe I'll actually vote.

Hey, I'm glad someone actually checked it out! I think it's a great tool and it certainly speaks to Johnson's confidence in his assertion that most Americans are actually libertarian (little L) and they just don't know it.

Were you surprised at any of your other results? I am 90% matched with Johnson which has didn't surprise me at all but the 73% alignment with Clinton certainly threw me!

Actually, I was Surprised with a lot of the updated current issued questions on this survey. It was all close for me. Johnson 79%, Bernie 73%, Trump 72%, and Hillary fell in at 59%! Haha. Basically, confirmed why I am frustrated this election. I have to start checking folks off based on my negative gut reactions...to end up with one to vote for! Sigh.

Oh wow, I can certainly see why you're wracking your brain! Pretty tough to sift through the lies this season to see who means what they say!

I don't envy you that choice. Best of luck making it!

a reply to: CynConcepts

No they screwed him pretty bad. He is currently trying to start another party. Hopefully one that doesn't rig its own elections.