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originally posted by: madmac5150
From a Gnostic viewpoint...
To have faith in God is not to believe in God... it is to know God...
I don't claim to know God; but, I am still learning...
originally posted by: Parazurvan
originally posted by: madmac5150
From a Gnostic viewpoint...
To have faith in God is not to believe in God... it is to know God...
I don't claim to know God; but, I am still learning...
This is factually incorrect.
The Supreme God of "Gnosticism" is completely unknowable.
And the gnosis is based on experience. Spiritual activity. Nobody ever claimed to meet God in the so call Gnostic churches. Maybe a few kooks. Nobody major.
I don't say this to be rude just that many people think that Gnostic is a religion when it was a sarcastic epithet for a myriad of so called heresies that the church sought to destroy.
They had many schools with many names, Sethian, Sophian, Valenentinian, just to name a few.
Even the Nazarenes, Jesus people, where called Gnostics.
Gnosis is just experiencing the divine through many means lost to history. But there is always a way. God is always available.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: SelectStart
I wonder, do you doubt the Power of the Holy Spirit to enlighten? Impart Wisdom?
Holy Spirit, Spirit of Truth, Advocate, Comforter
Personally I have experienced this. I can say it is true because I have first hand knowledge that it is.
The Power of Faith moves mountains.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: SelectStart
I think you and I are on a different page. No big deal.
originally posted by: Parazurvan
a reply to: madmac5150
That I can agree with 100%.
I would say faith leads to gnosis and wisdom.
You do need faith, but never forsake knowledge of all things for a religion that is based on unquestionable doctrines.
Religion is never evolving and takes all the spirituality out of faith by making it a requirement and answer for everything that doesn't make sense.
This is just advice, I am not claiming to have higher knowledge or anything. Just my thoughts.
originally posted by: madmac5150
From a Gnostic viewpoint...
To have faith in God is not to believe in God... it is to know God...
I don't claim to know God; but, I am still learning...
originally posted by: coomba98
a reply to: madmac5150
originally posted by: madmac5150
From a Gnostic viewpoint...
To have faith in God is not to believe in God... it is to know God...
I don't claim to know God; but, I am still learning...
Hay Digger, just a heads up your not wrong in your above quote. And apart from Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser saying your wrong the rest of his post is correct. Going by Gnostic religion that is.
Ohh and thanks for your long service sir, I hope you live a long and fruitful life and hopefully with little pain from your MS.
Coomba98
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sorry DISRAELI for going off topic I hope you don't mind.
understanding that my submission to him in belief of him, must be a way of life for me.
originally posted by: coomba98
sorry DISRAELI for going off topic I hope you don't mind.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Apology accepted, because we all know where the digression really started.
Your running dialogue with a certain other poster is one of the most entertaining features of ATS.
originally posted by: coomba98
originally posted by: DISRAELI
Apology accepted, because we all know where the digression really started.
Your running dialogue with a certain other poster is one of the most entertaining features of ATS.
I hate to tell you this but I am not your lost love who you call, quite childishly, Padawan.
What that means is that you love this person so much you have convinced yourself that someone is him/her and do not have the slightest clue.
Now that is a helluva ridiculous thing to develop delusions over.
But by all means, continue with your delusion. It is entertaining human behavior and I so enjoy analyzing psychotic behavior.
I have no reason to care because you really aren't talking to me anyway, and all you are is a punk ***** with pom poms.
But at least you know enough to know that I know what I am talking about.
Even though you think that telling someone they are factually incorrect is wrong, even if they are and I am just politely informing them.
Goes to show you how far you will go to involve yourself in your (perceived) object of obssession's conversations as does your kissing of ass of anyone that has a different opinion from mine.
All in all a pretty messed up scenario. But it is funny to witness even if it is pathetic. I guess I am a little immature for finding disturbing and pathetic human behavior funny, but you kind of are asking for it.
edit on 28-5-2016 by Parazurvan because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
I hate to tell you this but I am not your lost love who you call, quite childishly, Padawan.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
What that means is that you love this person so much you have convinced yourself that someone is him/her and do not have the slightest clue.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
But by all means, continue with your delusion. It is entertaining human behavior and I so enjoy analyzing psychotic behavior.
I have no reason to care because you really aren't talking to me anyway, and all you are is a punk ***** with pom poms.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
But at least you know enough to know that I know what I am talking about.
Even though you think that telling someone they are factually incorrect is wrong, even if they are and I am just politely informing them.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
Goes to show you how far you will go to involve yourself in your (perceived) object of obssession's conversations as does your kissing of ass of anyone that has a different opinion from mine.
originally posted by: Padawan Parazurvan Googlemiser
All in all a pretty messed up scenario. But it is funny to witness even if it is pathetic. I guess I am a little immature for finding disturbing and pathetic human behavior funny, but you kind of are asking for it.
originally posted by: madmac5150
originally posted by: Parazurvan
originally posted by: madmac5150
From a Gnostic viewpoint...
To have faith in God is not to believe in God... it is to know God...
I don't claim to know God; but, I am still learning...
This is factually incorrect.
The Supreme God of "Gnosticism" is completely unknowable.
And the gnosis is based on experience. Spiritual activity. Nobody ever claimed to meet God in the so call Gnostic churches. Maybe a few kooks. Nobody major.
I don't say this to be rude just that many people think that Gnostic is a religion when it was a sarcastic epithet for a myriad of so called heresies that the church sought to destroy.
They had many schools with many names, Sethian, Sophian, Valenentinian, just to name a few.
Even the Nazarenes, Jesus people, where called Gnostics.
Gnosis is just experiencing the divine through many means lost to history. But there is always a way. God is always available.
Fair enough, I misstated and over simplified.
Simple belief that there is an Almighty God is not truly faith. The true God; The Absolute, is above and beyond human comprehension. The Absolute cannot be defined, as it is beyond definition. Yet, there is a tiny spark of that Divinity imbued in each of us. True faith is deeply internal, deeply personal... and it is a lifelong journey.
How many "Devout Christians" attend services regularly, volunteer their time and put on a show to impress everyone, and yet commit grave sins in the privacy of their homes. They appear to be "good church-going folks"... in reality, they are as monstrous in private as they are devout in public. True faith is a lifestyle. I learn this more and more every day... and it is a daily struggle. I am in no way even close to perfect... (so much for the money spent on Parochial schools...)
"Religion" is NOT faith. Organized religion is man's way of using the Divine as a method of control. I was raised as a Roman Catholic. The Catholic Church, in recorded history, has been every bit as brutal and ruthless as today's Islamic extremists. Look at the Crusades. Look at the Spanish Inquisition. Not very "Christ-like" behavior... yet, the perpetrators of these atrocities all claimed to be pious, and acting on the Word of God.
Having "faith", and having "religion" are two totally different things...