Can You Tell Time? Doubtful

You guys kill me!!!
BWAHAhahahahahahahahahaha!

You all keep describing the elephant in the room, like the blind men. Describing symptoms without looking at the reasons or the why. ( bonus points for being squirrely and spazzy cause no one believes you)

Start with this...our time isn't what you think it is.
Back in the day the previous calendar was changed from the Julian to gregorian.
www.timeanddate.com...

Skipped Several Days
To get the calendar back in sync with astronomical events like the vernal equinox or the winter solstice, a number of days were dropped.

The papal bull issued by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, decreed that 10 days be dropped when switching to the Gregorian Calendar. However, the later the switch occurred, the more days had to be omitted. (See table below).

This created short months with only 18 days and odd dates like February 30 during the year of the change over.

In North America the month of September 1752 was exeptionally short skipping 11 days.

Top this off with what we very quaintly call "the blue Moon". An extra moon cycle that we ignore every so often.

Factor in daylight savings time and the reversal every spring.

Frankly I'm surprised ANY of you think you know what you are talking about. Our current calculations of time are a hot mess. We change how we calculate time, we ignore the extra time the blue moon signals by condensing it and we haven't been using what we knew since 1582.

So...things speed up, they are artificially slowed down, our timeline such as we insist on knowing it as, has been jerked around so much we ought to be dizzy.

within all this manipulation are gaps to change things. You're seeing it and screaming MANDELA EFFECT!!!
Really? it took y'all this long to notice?

Everyone needs to quit being a special snowflake and quit focusing on the Bearenstein bears, froot loops and undergarments for incontenence and for the love of GOD get someone in here who can do the math!!!

We need to figure out in reality what the correct time is before we do anything else!
Our time, not matching up the earths rotation to the clock, or the seasons.

Back before we got "uppity" we had a 13 month year. Depending on the number of extra full moons or lack of them ( surely that evens out over long periods) we need someone who can do serious math and some calculations to figure out exactly what year & month it is.

Bonus Points for 'the win" yes, the evil illuminati Pope is behind controlling time....if that particular conspiracy theory appeals to you.

Well for starters, there is only now…

but accepting for a moment that time exists ( because we invented clocks to punch) we were off a year at the get go…

The count started with the year one, not the year zero.

Besides all that it is possible to learn to tell time. Live outdoors for a while, you get connected to the sun, moon and stars , telling the time to within a few minutes, night or day.

Hate to point it out....but....

The measurement of time is an agreed upon unit of measure....as is any unit of measure.

There is no universal standard dictated by Chronos.


One way or the other...it's all just a headlong dive forward into entropy.

originally posted by: intrptr
The count started with the year one, not the year zero.

There was never any need for a year Zero.
The year A.D.1 means "the first twelve months after the (artificially calculated) night when Jesus was born".
The year 1 B.C. "the first twelve months BEFORE the night when Jesus was born".
So there is no occasion for a "Year Zero". What we find in the calendar is a POINT "Zero".
That is why the century ends at the end of year 100, not at the beginning.
The idea that the omission of "Year Zero" was some kind of "mistake" is just a silly misunderstanding of the way the calendar works.

a reply to: intrptr

I agree with your thought, unfortunately my workplace has differing idea's on this?
( teasing!)

Obviously you're correct. However aside from using the natural world as our timepiece. You've avoided the bigger issue.
Currently for all we know this isn't late may, it could easily be late april? Or June already. WE honestly don't know cause we've been jerked around.

My point was, we can't know jack, till we know what year it REALLY is.
and we don't.

originally posted by: Caver78
My point was, we can't know jack, till we know what year it REALLY is.
and we don't.

We can't anyway, because there is no such thing as a "real" date, and so the conventional date can never be "wrong".
Except in the sense that it can go out of line with the seasons, which is what happened to the Julian calendar, or there can be misunderstandings about the way it correlates with other historical calendar systems.

a reply to: DISRAELI

That arbitrary let's measure time by Jesus's birth, yeah.....
Facepalm!

So how did humans measure it before then?
How did indigenous cultures measure it?

Actually it's less how did they than just that they did. And it wasn't this system. I'm talking about a recounting back to what it should be, not what got rammed down our throats.
and certainly NOT by Christ's birth.

How we got bullied into this is separate from what this topic is about. This is about the artificially induced speeding up and slowing down of time as we've been forced to live it and the large gaping gaps that explain how things/events are manipulated.

Everyone ought to know the old stories about the 3 Muses/Grandmothers ( ect...) who reputedly weave the world. Seeing the gaps and how things can be woven is 1/2 the battle.

originally posted by: Caver78
Actually it's less how did they than just that they did. And it wasn't this system. I'm talking about a recounting back to what it should be, not what got rammed down our throats.

But I repeat from my second post; there is no such thing as "what it should be", so the arbitrary number we give cannot be out of line with it.

a reply to: DISRAELI

The year from zero to one is the first year, the year from one to two is the second.

a reply to: intrptr
I think that's what I was trying to explain.
The twelve months from POINT Zero (notionally, midnight on December 31st) is Year One.
The twelve months leading up to that point is One B.C.

a reply to: Caver78

If you ask Illig: year 1719.
But I have a feeling that is not what you mean.

a reply to: Caver78

My point was, we can't know jack, till we know what year it REALLY is.
and we don't.

I get that. We use atomic clocks to be soooo precise but then adjust them from time to time because the natural order of things isn't precise by any means. So we're off. The big clock on the wall is a method of control to get everyone dancing to the same beat. Get up, go to work, get paid, consume, pay tax.

Precision only matters if you want to hit Pluto with a space craft, for instance… but even then, they still have retros to fudge it…

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: Caver78
Actually it's less how did they than just that they did. And it wasn't this system. I'm talking about a recounting back to what it should be, not what got rammed down our throats.

But I repeat from my second post; there is no such thing as "what it should be", so the arbitrary number we give cannot be out of line with it.

Entropy dictates there was a point of origin and entropy will dictate an ending
(In theory)

so yes, there actually is a "should-be" in there somewhere.
I'm looking for a closer figure than we currently are conjuring. Just in the past 5 years add all the extra months we ignored due to Blue Moons and you'll see we're perceptional-wise maybe 4-6 months behind just there. Do this for the last 2000 years and it really adds up!

I'm asking you to follow this train of thought and explore the possibility. One of which being, for arguments sake that while it currently appears we've made massive developments in the last 100 years, add the missing months to that and it extends that 100 years into what?

well...more than just 100 years. Thats just one glaring gap.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: intrptr
I think that's what I was trying to explain.
The twelve months from POINT Zero (notionally, midnight on December 31st) is Year One.
The twelve months leading up to that point is One B.C.

You mean A.D.? When did they start counting years from Jesus death? Their calendar was different back then, Roman, I believe?

Can You Tell Time?

Tell it what?

Sorry... Great post.

I gave up on time when I realized that from a distance, the earth spins one way, but if you turn yourself upside down, it spins in the opposite direction. For me, my next thought was, "What time is it on the Pleiades?" (This was during my Alice Bailey days).

Anyway, I know this space/time continuum is a concern, but for me it remains a conundrum...I get lost on a treadmill and I forget that quarter to four and three forty-five are the same thing. Thank God, I am allowed to participate in time and space, regardless.

But I read someplace about a newer model that is probably being posted by 5 other members as I tap away on this iPad, called Universal time, or something like that. It's a cool idea, and would actually answer my question from 1987 of what time is it on the
Pleiades!

But I like intrptr's notion of now. That I understand, and my now calls for coffee!

CF

Again, nice post. I saw this subject when I first joined ATS. Good luck and brace yourself. I had to get rescued by a Mod! And so, I will tip toe away silently and look back smiling with a thumbs up, or down, depending on your perspective to the earth.

a reply to: Caver78
What practical difference does it make?

originally posted by: intrptr
You mean A.D.? When did they start counting years from Jesus death? Their calendar was different back then, Roman, I believe?

Birth, not death.
True, the calendar was calculated a few centuries later and applied retrospectively.
But I don''t see how that affects the question in hand, which is about how the calendar works.
My point was simply that the numbering system has a sensible rationale, and it is absurd to assume that they made a "mistake" and they should have done it in some other way.

a reply to: intrptr

Gott'cha!


Being a little more precise where we should have continued counting time versus the artificial methods forced on us ( reasons don't matter) and clearing up this idea that like a game of horse shoes close is good enough.

Close isn't good enough if you want to see a bigger picture.

People ramble on about "the matrix" and then there is all the recent caterwauling about the mandella effect. I'm saying the system forced on us and that we don't look at has built in fast-forward, whoops! nope go back, a fluid dynamic that we totally ignore ( what I call the gaps).

Things can easily be changed, altered whether in reality or our perceptions and it's the elephant in the room.

originally posted by: Caver78

Frankly I'm surprised ANY of you think you know what you are talking about.

Well at least some of us aren't confusing "time" with "date". Who missed the elephant in the room eh?

At the end of the day it's all just a binch of numbers to me. I follow my body clock, haven't worn a watch in about 30 years and couldn't tell you which year I did what except for a few landmarks. I can guess the time of day to within a couple of minutes sometimes and I'm only a day or two out with days of the week too....lol.

Just numbers to me.

originally posted by: nerbot

originally posted by: Caver78

Frankly I'm surprised ANY of you think you know what you are talking about.

Well at least some of us aren't confusing "time" with "date". Who missed the elephant in the room eh?

At the end of the day it's all just a binch of numbers to me. I follow my body clock, haven't worn a watch in about 30 years and couldn't tell you which year I did what except for a few landmarks. I can guess the time of day to within a couple of minutes sometimes and I'm only a day or two out with days of the week too....lol

Just numbers to me.

IIRC we just had another Blue Moon recently so that would make this month late June. Not May.
ROFL!!!

I meant both btw....date & time.