Authoritarianism: Obama vs Trump

From Wikipedia:

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[1] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:

limited political pluralism; that is, such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
a basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[2]


Let's look through these:

Trump has said that many things should be handled at the state level. That the states have lost power. So that's unathortian by trump

Why did they state lose power? Healthcare is now national, marriage is now national over local, even bath room usage is now national

If you are keeping track at home

Obama 1 Trump 0

2) trump says all ISIS members are Muslums. Therefore, all incoming Muslums should be checked out.

All illegal aliens are breaking American laws and are criminals.

Both of those statements are facts over emotion, but they do play to emotion

Vs Obama

One person goes on a mass shooting, nobody supports the mass shooting. Some thing has I be done with guns. Ignoring the logical argument that there are many ways to do mass damage and plays in the emotional

OBAMA 2 TRUMP 0.5

3) neither ones have really tried to stop mass mobilization. One could make the argument that some area are trying to stop religious groups from meeting, but not really from the top

OBAMA 2 Trump 0

4) trump has said things like, if that was legal.
Obama has shifting and increasing powers. The judge said that DOJ over stepped their power. The courts have said that Obama has installed people while congress was in session and his appointments are illegal. He has not followed the court orders

So the final count is

Obama 3 Trump 0.5

Obama has taken authoritarianism to new sky high levels.

Mostly by mis-using (some of it illegally) the Executive Branch for his own agenda.

He has even started programs that are in court and had been ordered stopped.

The Plan: to do as much irreversible damage as possible.

a reply to: thinline

So the final count is

Obama 3 Trump 0.5

8 years President vs 6 months contender


Doesn't look too good for Trump.

a reply to: thinline

Don't bother with definitions. People hate that.

Just remember that this November, people will gladly and willingly go to the voting booth to vote for an authoritarian candidate simply because Trump said some mean things.

divide and conquer

distract and destroy

spy vs spy

and so it goes

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: thinline

Don't bother with definitions. People hate that.

Just remember that this November, people will gladly and willingly go to the voting booth to vote for an authoritarian candidate simply because Trump said some mean things.

People will vote in their own perceived best self interest; mostly determined by the obscene amount of money spent on campaign ads.

Like everything else in America, hype, slick glitzy, over produced, deceptive, madison ave. styled advertising will carry the day in the political contests as well as hyping cars, soap and sanitary napkins.

We decided on a capitalistic system and to think politics has risen above that BS style of media manipulation is not only naive, it's outright stupid.

Trump needs a cracker jack team of media people. He should fire Hope Hicks and Daniel Scavino because they suck.

Don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense.

a reply to: thinline

Like I stated in the other "OP" the Roman Empire is the most authoritarian leaders in history by far.

If it is true the Vatican long ago became the continuation of the Roman power...the Popes are Caesars.

Pope Francis has Obama as his "Little Caesars" for America to implement the NWO.

Authoritarianism indeed...JPZ.

a reply to: thinline

Hey you forgot using the IRS to target his political enemies.

You forgot using the DOJ to do that to journalists that question him.

You forgot about throwing a film maker in jail for making a video.

You forgot another guy D'nesh D'souza for making a movie critical of Obama.

You forgot about his tax creations, and raises because them bloody evil rich people don't have any rights.

And I am forgetting some too.

Xuen is right.

Obama has been the most authoritarian potus we have ever had since FDR, and maybe Lincoln,

a reply to: thinline

Hmm..How about cracking down on dissenting voices in the media similar to Russia?

Donald Trump said Friday that if elected president he will change the nation's libel laws in order to make it easier to sue news organizations.
money.cnn.com...

On more than one occasion, he has expressed his desire to “open up” libel laws so he can punish journalists who write “mean” things about him.
He has urged the FCC to suspend his critics on television.
On social media, he has demanded that his critics be fired, much to the delight of his mob of anonymous supporters, who flood the accounts of those Trump has singled out.
Some online Trump enforcers have even attempted to “dox” the naysayers by revealing their personal info on the Internet.

www.nationalreview.com...

Read more at: www.nationalreview.com...

Or calling for all Mosques to be tapped by the FBI?

Donald Trump Threatens Religious Liberty
www.theatlantic.com...

Hell he even sent a letter to Cruz threatening to sue him for calling Trump a liar..while at the same time accusing Cruz's father of helping to assassinate JFK.

Trump is opposed to free speech and freedom of religion...and has explained how as president he will advocate for policies to curtail the same.

You don't have to look deeply to see what Trump is..

Might verses Right?