MH17 crash: Victims' families sue Putin and Russia

a reply to: Zcustosmorum

Yemen too.

a reply to: Zaphod58

and the evidence that these parts are from the same site?

a reply to: username74

Well if we're going to start asking dumb questions...

What's your proof that the wreckage you claim shows cannon fire is even from MH17?

a reply to: username74

The evidence was collected and verified by Almaz-Antey who detonated a similar missile near a cockpit section of another aircraft, which showed similar damage.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

whats dumb about that question?
do we not do verification if its inconvenient?

"What's your proof that the wreckage you claim shows cannon fire is even from MH17?"

the photos of the crash site.
do you read the links?

originally posted by: username74
back your claims up instead of spouting your programming.

I have provided sourced evidence, as you well know. Your claims have been widely debunked as the bolt hole of people who want to believe, but the facts don't stretch that far. The "MH-17 was shot down" story is clearly one of the many Russian propaganda theories pushed out that has stuck. If your entire belief that MH-17 was shot is based on a photo of a piece of fuselage with myriad holes in it because some "look like" bullet holes, then that's stretching a tolerance for evidence pretty far.

The fact is that parts of the Russian missile were found in the dead. Not parts of cannon shells, but fragments from the missile.

a reply to: [post=23999191]Zaphod58[/post
source?
link?
something?

" detonated a similar missile near a cockpit section of another aircraft, which showed similar damage"
proving what?
it makes holes?
did it make entry and exit holes like on the cockpit?

have an opinion you can back up.
don't just recite what you have been told.

a reply to: paraphi

link your evidence.
"The fact is that parts of the Russian missile were found in the dead"
link?

a reply to: username74

How do you know those photos come from the crash site?

a reply to: paraphi

“The fragments found in the bodies of the victims and the remains of the aircraft, are elements that resemble samples from Buks given to experts for comparative research,” he said
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"But the Joint Investigation Team working on the case told NOS that other scenarios could not be excluded."

the independant Thursday 8 October 2015

ahh you mean this?
dailygazette.com...

a reply to: username74

Here's the video:

a reply to: Xcalibur254

the crashed plane gives it away

a reply to: paraphi

oh you mean these guys .
guess what its BELLNGCAT
ROFL

arstechnica.com...

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Almaz-Antey presser discussing that it was a Buk, but disputing that it was launched from the location claimed.

a reply to: Zaphod58

58 minutes 10 seconds. lol

a reply to: username74

And? That was long thought to be a major factor. The launcher didn't have the system that would have identified it as a commercial aircraft by measuring the return off the engine fans.

a reply to: Zaphod58

lets make this simple..
i hope you will at least give the links perusal.
i know we dont have the same perception of the world but from one human to another dont trust bellingcat
epicsearch.in...
www.cyberguerrilla.org...
www.theblogmire.com...
geopolitics.co...


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a reply to: username74

Contrary to what you seem to think, Bellingcat isn't the be all, end all of information about what happened, and just because I haven't immediately said the official narrative is bull# doesn't mean that I completely agree with what Bellingcat says either.

a reply to: Zaphod58
rest assured i do not think you are a fool.
but what i posted stands, regardless of our apparent bias

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Salander

And they somehow convinced the Russian manufacturer of the BUK to admit that it was a version of one of their missiles. Amazing.

You take a lot from that experiment by the BUK manufacturer. I find it interesting, but somewhat irrelevant. With the major skills government have today with satellite photography, nobody including (especially) the US has been able to provide any evidence of a BUK launch. The point they made was relevant--if it was a BUK it was an older version operated only by Kiev.

Otherwise, this is much like the claim that OBL "admitted" he did 911. A joke.