Trump Gets NRA Endorsement, Says He'll Ban Gun-Free Zones

a reply to: windword

I like one of the major gun-free zones that Trump has criticized - military installations. Gun-free zones there are the stupidest thing ever. The military are trained in gun safety, and should be able to defend themselves. (ex. Fort Hood) Trump has condemned this policy and said the military should not have gun-free zones.

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

I'm not talking about carrying a weapon near Trump, not that I would ever be near him to begin with because he and I live in two different worlds, his being that of an elitist and mine that of a commoner.

What I'm talking about is bringing a gun (and I don't own any) to any of his hotels, resorts, casinos, etc.

originally posted by: BlueAjah

Trump has a concealed carry permit, and says he always carries.

Ok, just tell me where he will be and I will be sure to stay away. That is kind of scary. I thought the unbalanced weren;t supposed to be able to get a license.

originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: eisegesis

I wonder if I'm allowed to take a gun into any and all Trump facilities once he's president?

You mean, those PRIVATE ones?

a reply to: eisegesis
He can start by repealing the SAFE act in NY.

Schools and mental hospitals?

Oh second thought I'm sure this is just a 'suggestion."

Sorry about the weak thread guys and gals. I'm actually shocked by this and as his campaign promises begin to mount, so does the importance for him to uphold those promises if elected. I could've dissected it, but chose to get the word out and let the professionals here tear it apart.

Thanks everybody.

a reply to: eisegesis

He is actually banning designated victim zones.

Good for Trump.

a reply to: reldra

You could move to any other country in the world and 'feel safe'.

Here there be guns.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: reldra

You could move to any other country in the world and 'feel safe'.

Here there be guns.

Yes, too many. You are correct on 'here there be guns'.

I'm not real comfortable with 'here there be Trump carrying a gun'.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Yup, those. I mean, if schools and airports will no longer be gun free zones than I suppose his hotels and restaurants should be too, right? It would be hypocritical of him to not allow me to carry any weapon of my choosing while I stay at his fine establishments, right?

I wanna play poker with a six shooter at my side at his casino! Just like the old days!

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: ketsuko
I don't think he has that power outside of government offices and facilities.

He would have the ability to instruct his justice department to investigate the legality of gun free zones, potentially even bringing the situation before the SCOTUS to determine the constitutionality of public universities and businesses which do business with the public passing "gun free" zone policies. It's exactly the same as Obama's justice department filing a $200,000 fine against the bakery that refused to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple.

That is not the same. That was a fine from the justice department for discrimination. You want to compare 'gun free zones' to that?

Exactly reldra, but I would like also add that the fine was fraudulent. Private businesses, such as this bakery can discriminate against anyone they choose, unless they are receiving some type of cupcake or muffin subsidy from the government lol. Employment and workplace discrimination would be a no-no, but protection of your rights are in regards to government not private business or organizations.

Ever seen the sign, "This business reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason... "

Exactly.

Another change that Trump has been promoting is allowing concealed carry permits to apply to all 50 states.
The current laws on this are strange. If you have a permit in one state, why should you be arrested if you happen to drive down the wrong street and end up in a different state?

NATIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY. The right of self-defense doesn’t stop at the end of your driveway. That’s why I have a concealed carry permit and why tens of millions of Americans do too. That permit should be valid in all 50 states. A driver’s license works in every state, so it’s common sense that a concealed carry permit should work in every state. If we can do that for driving – which is a privilege, not a right – then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege.

www.donaldjtrump.com...

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Isn't it the businesses right to decide what happens with their business?

According to that premise, some people would then argue that a private business has a right to deny service (discriminate) based upon race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Isn't it the businesses right to decide what happens with their business?

According to that premise, some people would then argue that a private business has a right to deny service (discriminate) based upon race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

They do and can. No argument needed.

The Bill of Rights pertains to government discrimination, not private individuals, businesses or organizations. Unless they are receiving some type of government assistance.

originally posted by: EternalShadow

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ketsuko

Isn't it the businesses right to decide what happens with their business?

According to that premise, some people would then argue that a private business has a right to deny service (discriminate) based upon race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

They do and can. No argument needed.

The Bill of Rights pertains to government discrimination, not private individuals, businesses or organizations. Unless they are receiving some type of government assistance.

Wrong.

See the Civil Rights' Act.

a reply to: eisegesis

The only thing I can think of as far as his 180 degree turn on the ban is, he could be like you say, a liar just saying anything to get votes, OR, he did his homework required of him to be president and actually looked up facts and statistics to realize that these bans have no impact whatsoever on crime.

I myself like what he says, yet a part of me believes it is too good to be true and we are all being given the same run around that politicians tend to do so consistently. Another part of me thinks more than likely he will not even win since Hillary seems to be the chosen one. Time will tell.

iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: reldra

You could move to any other country in the world and 'feel safe'.

Here there be guns.

I'm not real comfortable with 'here there be Trump carrying a gun'.

I am not real comfortable NOT having a gun when the left sends out goon squads to threaten and intimidate citizens supporting a certain candidate.
Like these idiots.
Warning, very offensive behavior by the left. Shocker, I know,

More like a frat party than a political protest.
Pathetic, classless scum.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Nicely said.

Trump also supported Clinton's AWB during the past 15 years when he endorsed every other Liberal policy, you know, before he started to run for the GOP nomination.

I would absolutely LOVE if we got rid of victim disarmament zones but why would he say that in front of the NRA? Theyve always endorsed "gun free" zones...

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
...all I care about is whether he recognizes that his personal opinions on that issue need to genuflect to the Constitution and "Shall not be infringed" means 100% exactly that.

He absolutely doesn't recognize that or at-least he doesn't care to.

But MOST politicians dont care about the rule of legitimate law ie the Constitution with the exception of Ron Paul, Rand, Amash, Massie and a handful of others.

Over the past 15 years, we've been conditioned to accept the POTUS acting unilaterally, justifying it by calling it a "strong office of the Presidency".

They just assumed that no one could possibly be more authoritarian than Bush and Obama.

Trump is an authoritarian. He genuinely believes that "authority" should always be obeyed regardless of how wrong they are, which in the case of our government is almost all the time.

And we saw it firsthand when he encouraged violence against demonstrators.

But for Trump, authoritarianism is nothing new. Quite scary actually.

Presidential hopeful Rand Paul slams the militarization of police.

Trump is no Rand Paul, not even close. Under Trump, rest assured that this will not only continue but accelerate:

Police departments acquiring military armored vehicles at an alarming rate.

a reply to: eisegesis

Trump’s new found love for the Second Amendment

Hasn't he carried for a very long time? He has a gun over his desk.