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Is it really 1968 all over again....a thought about the landscape of the 2016 election

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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:42 AM

originally posted by: crusadors
Yes it is....and the DNC deserves this. They sent nobody good to the primaries. They were screwed this time around.

Just like in the other thread you posted in, the Republicans sent more, but just more crap. More contenders, just useless ones. The one they ended up with they don't even want...but you reap what you sew.
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:46 AM

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: crusadors
Yes it is....and the DNC deserves this. They sent nobody good to the primaries. They were screwed this time around.

Just like in the other thread you posted in, the Republicans sent more, but just more crap. More contenders, just useless ones. The one they ended up with they don't even want...but you reap what you sew.

Bro, your the Michigan fan, you cant see "it".

posted on May, 19 2016 @ 01:48 AM
OP lambasted Glenn beck for being a psychopath Trump hater but then basically plagiarized a whole monologue he did a few weeks ago lol.

Yes it's basically the same situation I agreed w Glenn when he drew the parallels too

posted on May, 19 2016 @ 02:52 AM

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: reldra

I've never understood how modern conservatives don't look at history and see that time and time again "conservatism" has been on the wrong side of history.

It's like finding out that Dark Vader thinks he's the protagonist of the story.

Errrmmmm, Darth Vader IS the protaganist of the story... not to go off-topic, but yeah, Star Wars is about his rise to power, later corruption and final redemption.

posted on May, 19 2016 @ 02:55 AM
a reply to: matafuchs

Oh man, where to even begin. How about free speech? That's something the modern conservative likes to talk about in the context of "political correctness" a LOT.

1836 - The "gag rule" passed by the House as part of the Pickney Resolutions. It straight up prevented even the discussion of anti-slavery proposals. Pickney was a member of the Nullifier Party which was a conservative "States' Rights" party.

1873 - The Comstock Law is passed for the "Suppression of Trade in, and Circulation of, Obscene Literature and Articles of Immoral Use." It made it illegal to send contraceptives, erotica, sex toys, abortifacients, any literature pertaining to those things and even personal letters with sexually explicit language, through the USPS.

1917 - Espionage Act of 1917
1918 - Sedition Act (amendments to Espionage Act of 1917)
1919 - Schenck v. U.S. - Socialist Party members from Philly convicted of violations of Espionage Act for distributing pamphlets urging conscription age men to resist conscription.
Abrams v. United States - anarchist convicted under Espionage Act for throwing anti-war flyers from a hat factory window.
Debs v. U.S. - Debs was a labor figure and a presidential candidate for the Socialist Party who was convicted for giving an anti-war speech and sentenced to 10 years in prison and disenfranchisement for life.

Also in 1919 was the arrest of Benjamin Gitlow for publishing the ""Left Wing Manifesto."

These cases are what led to the formation of the ACLU in 1920. Now the argument could be made that Wilson asked Congress to pass it and that in many ways, Wilson was a progressive. However Wilson started out as a Southern conservative and ended up a right-wing progressive. He was a complex character from a complex time. That said, the acts themselves were used to silence socialists, people in the labor movement, anti-war protesters, etc during the first "Red Scare" which peaked in 1919-1920.

1925 - Gitlow v. New York is the first major case fought by the ACLU and they lost. SCOTUS upheld Gitlow's conviction.

Also in 1925 was the "Scopes Monkey Trial" - John Scopes was a high school teacher from Tennessee was convicted of violating the Butler Act (TN law) for teaching evolution in school. He was convicted but it was overturned on a technicality later.

There were a bunch of noteworthy cases here but I'm not writing a text book. It bears mention in 1933, FDR pardoned everyone who'd been convicted under the Espionage Act (which includes the Sedition Act of 1918).

1938 - Life magazine is banned in the USA for publishing pictures from a health film called The Birth of a Baby

1940 - Smith Act makes it illegal to advocate the violent overthrow of the government. Over 200 communists, anarchists, socialists, etc were convicted under this act. The act was named for Howard Smith who was Southern Democrat (Rep from VA). You might try to argue he was not a conservative because he was a Democrat but you would be woefully wrong and he was in fact the leader of the Conservative Coaltion (argue that with Conservapedia if you don't believe me). He was staunchly anti-labor (led opposition to and later investigation of the NLRB), pro-segregation, etc.

Also in 1940 was Minersville School District v. Gobitis in which two siblings in Pennsylvania were expelled for not saluting the flag. SCOTUS upheld the PA law but it was later overruled in another case.

1947 - The "Hollywood Ten" are found in contempt of Congress after the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) subpoenaed them (and like 70 other people) on the grounds that among other things, they were suspected of planting communist propaganda in their films. This is what the movie Trumbo is about.

1951 - Dennis v. United States - SCOTUS upholds convictions of a dozen communists convicted under the Smith Act for... being communists.

NY's Commissioner of Education rescinds license to show the short movie The Miracle on the grounds that it was sacrilegious. This ultimately ended up being heard by SCOTUS (Burstyn v. Wilson) and the decision is what put an end to blasphemy laws.

1957 - Roth v. United States, Samuel Roth was convicted for mailing "obscene materials" (a magazine with erotic stories and nude photos) and SCOTUS decides that fee speech doesn't cover erotica.

1959 - Barenblatt v. United States - SCOTUS upholds conviction of college professor who refuses to testify before the HUAC.

1968 - David Paul O'Brien's conviction for burning draft cards in protest is upheld by SCOTUS (United States v. O’Brien)

I know I'm leaving out quit a bit and I've probably missed some important events but see the trend? Starting in the 70's a series of SCOTUS rulings began to expand First Amendment protections which is why Bernie Sanders isn't in prison right now.

In case you weren't aware, Saint Ronnie who was the SAG President for maybe 10-12 years was a snitch in the late 40's and 50's for the FBI, turning over lists of those in Hollywood that he suspected of possibly being communists or even being sympathetic to communists. He himself testified in 1947 in front of the HUAC as a "friendly witness" — all to do his part in McCarthy's second Red Scare.

You think there are things "political correctness" prevents you from saying? Imagine if you got drug in front of a kangaroo court, blacklisted or worse, convicted and thrown in jail for your political opinions which is pretty much what right-wing conservatives did for the largest part of the 20th century.

Maybe you'd like to talk about segregation next?
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posted on May, 19 2016 @ 03:42 AM
a reply to: matafuchs
In 1968 the complicating factor was the Vietnam war.
That has no equivalent in the current year; America has forces abroad, but (I understand) they are not being drafted, which was the real crux.

posted on May, 19 2016 @ 08:05 AM
In '68 you had actual protests and civil disobedience that weren't driven by 'social(ist) media' and financed by Soros.

My folks had been able to vote for less than four years, the sixteenth street bombing was only five years behind us. In '68----instrumental people were killed and died. The nation was embroiled in a deadly politicians war.

1968 was the real deal. 2016 is mainly malcontents and snowflakes who won't be bothered once the cell phone batteries need charging.

posted on May, 19 2016 @ 08:48 AM
a reply to: matafuchs

I think it will indeed be a hot summer of protests of one type or another.

I'd add that in 1968, the US was embroiled in the failure of Vietnam.
In 2016, the US is embroiled in the failure of Iraq and Afghanistan.

And to add, that the timing of the failure (or success) of the TSA at the airports seems quite suspicious to me. So, they're making it difficult to escape turmoil by air flight?

The parallels are quite similar. History may not repeat itself, but the echos are very loud and similar to 1968.

posted on Jul, 13 2016 @ 10:05 AM
So, I guess this thread was a little closer to reality than many of us thought. I hope that the conventions this year do not bring violence on level with 68 but as was shown in Dallas the country is divided and, even if you do not want to admit, fully on edge of a true racial divide and war between extremist factions but we, the citizen are caught in the middle.

The New Black Panther Party open carrying with the Bikers for Trump providing security to convention goers...yeah, that is not a recipe for a powder keg of discontent.

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