EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from Radar

Until they find the black box, and the remains of the plane, no one can really say as to what happened.

a reply to: Moohide

Cockpit cameras have long been a hotly debated topic and have pretty much been universally opposed by pilots unions.

I do like the ejectable CVR/FDR idea though. A profile could be developed where proximity to ground, descent rate and/or attitude caused the CVR/FDR packages to eject and parachute to the surface independent of the aircraft itself. Once an aircraft has exceeded it's structural ability to fly any longer any further data from the FDR is pretty much academic, same for the CVR. This would sure make them a hell of a lot easier to find!

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk

Of course, terrorism aside, the complete loss of a horizontal stabilizer coupled with the slightest bank angle could result in a graveyard spiral.

That's how I read it. The turns were probably the result of loss of control during the dive.

Can't think of an alternative explanation for how the horizontal stabilizer would have been lost completely though short of the tail breaking off. AFAIK if both the hydraulic controls fail, there's a cable back up on the A320.

Mre wreckage found a short time ago,

9 minutes ago
16:02
Egypt: more remains and debris found.

Egypt’s Civil Aviation Authority has quoted an unnamed official from EgyptAir as saying that the military have retrieved “more plane wreckage, including some of the passengers’ belongings, body parts, luggage, and plane seats”, the AP reports.

The airline and ministry have yet to make an English statement. Greek authorities had said that more debris was spotted in the waters where remains, luggage and seats were found earlier, 180 miles off Alexandria

a reply to: Moohide

They're working on that for the data recorders.

a reply to: redshoes

If the side of the aircraft suffered a fatigue failure, pieces of it could have damaged the horizontal stabilizer, possibly to the point where it suffered a catastrophic failure during the dive that the aircraft went into.

ops, wrong thread

Another possibility, although I consider it pretty remote, is excessive rudder input, similar to what happened to American 587 in New York in 2001. In the Airbus, at that time anyway, the faster you were traveling the less rudder pedal input it took to get the rudder to travel. In the 587 crash, the First Officer was pushing the pedals all the way to the stops, resulting in a Dutch Roll that snapped the vertical fin off, and put the aircraft into a flat spin.

If they went through the wake turbulence of the 777, and it caught them by surprise for some reason, they may have put too much rudder in and started an out of control situation, resulting in a catastrophic failure.

The debris has been found was found near the edge of the search area.

The Eur opean Space Agency is reporting that it may have found a 2km long oil slick, some 40 kms southeast of MS804's last known location.

There is an satellite image at the link.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The debris has been found was found near the edge of the search area.

Just more proof NOTHING is tracked by Satellite or they would know exactly where it is and be able to take a picture of it from space. Everything in North America and Europe is all Loran-E. The same triangulation our cell phones use between towers and make you think its some fancy GPS system.

Many Pilots are busting that GPS myth now. Their is always one sat down at any time and never the same one. The are all also supposedly controlled by Lockheed now as well.

If we have Sats then how is it we never see the Russians before they attack someone lol. They will knock our drones out of the sky, that's why. There would not be such a huge buy and build program for these remote controlled cams in the sky if they had spy satellites like they have claimed for years.

a reply to: Zaphod58

That circle may look small on a map, but that's a lot of water to cover.

I'll take bets that Airbus is hoping that this is terrorism.

The news media wants it to be a bomb soooo badly! If it was, it will take many months (or years?) to pin responsibility on a terror group. By then, there will have been 2 or 3 other terror events.

a reply to: carewemust


live feed www.theguardian.com...

gonna be difficult to find the black boxes......very deep.... Alp like mountainous terrain under the water 14,000 feet deep....the malaysa plane that was never found..the depth was 15,000

a reply to: Patriotsrevenge

Satellite imagery isn't going to do crap to find a plane in flight, or one that's at the bottom of the ocean. Nice try though.

originally posted by: Patriotsrevenge

originally posted by: Zaphod58
The debris has been found was found near the edge of the search area.

Just more proof NOTHING is tracked by Satellite or they would know exactly where it is and be able to take a picture of it from space. Everything in North America and Europe is all Loran-E. The same triangulation our cell phones use between towers and make you think its some fancy GPS system.

Many Pilots are busting that GPS myth now. Their is always one sat down at any time and never the same one. The are all also supposedly controlled by Lockheed now as well.

If we have Sats then how is it we never see the Russians before they attack someone lol. They will knock our drones out of the sky, that's why. There would not be such a huge buy and build program for these remote controlled cams in the sky if they had spy satellites like they have claimed for years.

Even if they did have the tech why would they use it in this situation?, the military or whoever controls such a device does not do things just for the good of humanity.


RA

a reply to: slider1982

An ESA satellite did pick up an oil slick in the search area, but they don't know if it was from the plane or something else.

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Moohide

Cockpit cameras have long been a hotly debated topic and have pretty much been universally opposed by pilots unions.

I do like the ejectable CVR/FDR idea though. A profile could be developed where proximity to ground, descent rate and/or attitude caused the CVR/FDR packages to eject and parachute to the surface independent of the aircraft itself. Once an aircraft has exceeded it's structural ability to fly any longer any further data from the FDR is pretty much academic, same for the CVR. This would sure make them a hell of a lot easier to find!

How about we work harder on keeping the people on board alive during a crash. Like I would like my own ejectable seat.

Screw the data save me please.

a reply to: imsoconfused

You'd be far more likely to die in an ejection, without training, and you are to die in a crash. Not to mention the weight penalties, the added maintenance of having to replace the ejection charges, safe or remove them for routine maintenance, etc. Besides the odds of even being in a crash, most people survive the initial impact and die of injuries or post impact fire, in most crashes.

a reply to: imsoconfused

i recently saw a design for an airplane where the whole passenger cabin is "ejectable" in segments, equipped with huge parachutes.
but i guess modern airplanes are only built for profit and not for comfort and safety of passengers.