EgyptAir flight from Paris to Cairo has vanished from Radar

a reply to: Jobeycool

I tend to think that is the case with MH370. I read somewhere that the general consensus in the aviation community was that MH370 was a case of pilot murder/suicide. I'll have to find the link. I also remember reading that the pilot in the Luftansa murder/suicide plane crash from last year had obsessive searches on his laptop for MH370 conspiracies. I'll have to dig for that link, too. I'm not very useful today, sorry.

The data on flightaware shows that an 737 has been flying the route daily except for this flight.

a reply to: roadgravel

That's where the confusion begins. Flightaware showed this flight as a 737-800 but every other source shows the previous flights and this one as an A320.

A slightly testy post on EgyptAir's site (which is apparently up again):
www.egyptair.com...

Egyptair Flight MS 804
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Cairo - May 19, 2016 -

EGYPTAIR denies all misleading information published by news websites and on the social media channels regarding the reasons of the disappearance of EGYPTAIR flight MS804 and the company confirms that the reason of disappearance hasn't been yet confirmed. EGYPTAIR Calls for media resources to be assured of the information they post or release and to abide by the official press releases issued by EGYPTAIR media center.​

Emergencey call

International
+20225989320

Within Egypt
08007777000

On MSNBC they just mentioned that a "US Intelligence Source" has said that they DO have "strong indications of an explosion" in some sort of "imagery" (presumably satellite imagery). This contradicts previous statements. But, those were also unofficial statements also as I recall. So, once some "official" statement comes-out, presumably is when we will "know".

a reply to: Zaphod58

20-May-2016 B738
18-May-2016 A320
17-May-2016 B738
16-May-2016 B738
15-May-2016 B738

edit:

flightaware data

Is it possible FA set the 320 after the incident but had it 738 before? I was out most of the day and didn't look until this evening.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Dont forget the problems with 737 back in the 1990's - United 585/US AIR 427 . Took years for NTSB to finally track
down problem with the hydraulic power control unit. The power unit under certain conditions would go "rogue"
and jam the rudder hard over sending plane into uncontrollable dive

Going to withold opinion until some wreckage is found and examined ..........

a reply to: EnhancedInterrogator

The previous statements were based on preliminary looks at the SBIRS data, so they may have found something after a more detailed look.

The US govt seems to think this is a bomb. Which given the planes disappearance from radar at 37000 feet makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is why terrorist would bomb a plane with many Muslims on it and why they waited to put a bomb on it in Paris heading to an predominantly Muslim nation.

a reply to: roadgravel

Flightradar24:

18 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A320 (SU-GCC) - 8:45 PM - 1:05 AM
Canceled KML CSV Play
17 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A320 (SU-GBZ) 3:53 8:45 PM 8:54 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 12:47 AM KML CSV Play
16 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A320 (SU-GCC) 3:50 8:45 PM 8:52 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 12:43 AM KML CSV Play
15 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A320 (SU-GCB) 3:46 8:45 PM 8:43 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 12:29 AM KML CSV Play
14 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A320 (SU-GBZ) 3:50 8:45 PM 8:58 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 12:49 AM KML CSV Play
13 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A321 (SU-GBT) 3:50 8:45 PM 9:07 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 12:57 AM KML CSV Play
12 May Paris (CDG) Cairo (CAI) A332 (SU-GCJ) 3:47 8:45 PM 10:58 PM 1:05 AM
Landed 2:46 AM KML

www.flightradar24.com...

a reply to: Miracula2

At this point everything is mere speculation, the only certainty is that the aircraft vanished from radar.... the rest is yet unknown.

But know that Egypt is no friends with muslims since the muslim brotherhood was ousted and they currently fight against IS.

a reply to: Zaphod58

It would take out the engine, but it wouldn't necessarily shatter the wing. An air to air missile has a warhead similar in size to a MANPADS, which means a fairly small one.

Not even that - during Yom Kippur War between Israel and Arabs (1973) early model SA 7 would strike the tail pipe
of israeli A4 Sky hawk causing only minimal damage

Israelis began to equip their Aircraft with sheet metal extensions to tail pipe to direct blast away from vital parts of
aircraft.

a reply to: Zaphod58

So I take it you believe FR24 is correct and FA wrong. Thanks for the update.

a reply to: firerescue

DHL had an Airbus hit by a MANPADS over iraq that lost an engine and part of the back of the wing to the explosion, but landed safely. Commercial aircraft are more susceptible to damage from missiles, but the size of the warheads in air to air and MANPADS are small enough that even a commercial aircraft isn't going to suffer a lot of damage from one.

a reply to: roadgravel

Flightaware doesn't have the coverage of Flightradar over Europe and the ME, so I put more stock in FR24 for those areas.

a reply to: UKTruth


CNN ran a huge red banner "Exclusive" on TV and at CNN.com stating that the wreckage found today was that of Egypt Air Flight 804. Now, the network is acting as if they never said such a thing. CNN used to be worth something.

a reply to: carewemust

CNN used to be worth something.

After reading that all I can think of is how CNN handled the coverage for MH370. They brought on guest speakers that were psychics, people claiming that the plane was abducted by UFOs, physicists speculating on the possibility of the plane being swallowed by a black hole.

CNN has really lowered their bar when it comes to aviation disasters. The only thing they have going for them anymore is Anderson Cooper.