Had Jesus practiced Judaism, Jews wouldn't have killed him

Stop being slaves to Zionism

Jesus was not a Jew

Had he practised Judaism they would not have killed him

Romans killed him at request of other Elite Jews

Yeah

He was such a good little Jew he had to die by torture, what a fine loyal practising Jew he was

a reply to: BobDoleEh

Jesus actually expands from Judaist ideas. Countless of times has he quoted from the OT, for instance to prove that he was the Messiah promised in the OT.

He was opposed by the Pharisees, not Zionists. The Pharisees refused to believe that Jesus was the Messiah as promised in their own scriptures.

a reply to: BobDoleEh

Can you point to any historical sources that say he even existed
and more importantly for the sake of your thread "that he died by the Romans at the request of the Jews"
Will be waiting

a reply to: swanne

Wrong

Jesus expanded on HUMANIST AND MORAL ideas

Which by the way are part of almost every religion on earth

In my opinion Jews don't integrate well and teach each other exceptionalism

Irish used to do it

Italians used to do it

Basqs do it to this day

Etc

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

He spoke to me

But yeah he doesn't leave evidence around which sucks but I guess he has his reasons

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Any historical source can be argued to be anecdotal at best. What's your motivation to exclude the dozen or so of books which do write about his life, death and teachings?

Just because they're religious doesn't make them any less important of testimonials - ignoring testimonials for such reasons would form ad hominem logical fallacies.

a reply to: BobDoleEh
There are many good reasons not to be slaves to zionism, but this is not one of them.
Jesus was certainly a Jew ethnically.
Yes, there was a clash between the teaching of Jesus and the Jewish religion as it was currently being practised, but arguably this was because he was doing it better. He was trying to take them back to the original roots.

I would agree, though, that the way to approach Jesus is not through modern Judaism or the literal understanding of the Old Testament. "The Israel of God" are those who glory only in the cross of Christ (Galatians ch6 vv14-15).

a reply to: swanne

Tell me your motivation and ill tell you mine

I am long time lurker I know everybody on ATS

a reply to: BobDoleEh

Is that not kind of prejudice?

There were plenty of jews who followed (or at least respected) Jesus, and there are who still do.

Not all jews subscribe to the same beliefs.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Thank you Disraeli

Good points

That if Jesus isnt himself a roman invention.

a reply to: swanne

The first problem you have is confusing middle eastern looking men with religion

Jews used to look like Muslims

They are whiter skinned now due to European mixing and lot of fake citizens

Are you talking religion or race ?

Hehe gotch ya

Had he practiced Judaism, he wouldn't have been Jesus ...

originally posted by: BobDoleEh
a reply to: swanne

Tell me your motivation and ill tell you mine

My motivation: respect for the dead. Archaeological researches have found evidences that Jesus did exist, and that so did James, whose tomb has been found BTW.

Your turn.

originally posted by: BobDoleEh
a reply to: swanne

The first problem you have is confusing middle eastern looking men with religion

Jews used to look like Muslims

Hehe gotch ya

Huh??

What the heck are you even talking about??

"Muslim" is not a race, it's a religion - no one can actually "look like Muslim", it's not as if there are guys born with a moon crescent shaped navel or something.

You sure you're not the one being confused?

a reply to: swanne

My motivation is truth

Why are you even discussing Jesus in religion thread when you are not Christian

Some people should answer their calling and go bulldoze Palestinians and build new Israeli settlements

a reply to: swanne
Can I point out something? Your original question "what's your motivation?" was addressed to a different poster, and I think the OP applied it to himself accidentally. There may be a little confusion in the conversation between you.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I like you

But for some reason you don't seem to understand morality

As if you are waiting for something to make your choice

a reply to: BobDoleEh
That statement has no connection with anything anybody has said. What are you talking about?

originally posted by: BobDoleEh
a reply to: swanne

My motivation is truth

Why are you even discussing Jesus in religion thread when you are not Christian

Because unlike some, I know that I have more probability finding Truth when I open my mind to concepts I don't necessarily believe in.