A no kidding #1 threat to mankind's earth and civilization.

Is there any chance that Mankind is doing something to bring this cataclysm on ourselves? The daily news headlines say that Every big threat to mankind is created by mankind. (War, Global Warming, Aerosol sprays, Too many babies, etc..)

originally posted by: 727Sky
I am sure there are several threads with much detail about the Carrington event of 1859 however I elected to post this new video ... call it a refresher !

IMO it is a well done video on the 1859 Carrington event that melted just about everything electrical on the planet. From what I have read the skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily during the night as in normal daylight. Auroras pulsated even at tropical latitudes as far south as El Salvador which is right on down there to witness an aurora.

If this happened today I would bet that the population would be reduced by a rather large percentage in many countries just from starvation alone....

In 1859 there were plenty of food stuff producers and the society of humans went to their local farmer's co-opt in most cases (big cities not so much) to get something to eat (if they did not produce it themselves).. Our food stuffs were mostly produced and harvested by animal/human power. Will it happen again ? The problem as of today's world is (as most of you on ATS are aware) our magnetic poles are moving and the strength of Earth's magnetic field is weakening.

No doubt.

The when is the question.

Hopefully not in my lifetime. youtu.be...

Excellent work Guys. You heard what he said folks last one back to 1859 is a rotten egg!»»»

a reply to: carewemust

We are but a factor. We are not the cause.

There is so much information at Suspicious0bservers.org. I got a membership last October, and I still haven't gone through everything there.

It is truly some mind blowing research.

It is a bit on the fringe/ crowd-sourced science frontier, but I believe that frontier is fast becoming far more relevant and informative than main stream, political or corporate sponsored science.

It isn't doom porn as some previous poster alluded to, it is simply informative.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I am sure there are several threads with much detail about the Carrington event of 1859 however I elected to post this new video ... call it a refresher !

IMO it is a well done video on the 1859 Carrington event that melted just about everything electrical on the planet. From what I have read the skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily during the night as in normal daylight. Auroras pulsated even at tropical latitudes as far south as El Salvador which is right on down there to witness an aurora.

If this happened today I would bet that the population would be reduced by a rather large percentage in many countries just from starvation alone....

In 1859 there were plenty of food stuff producers and the society of humans went to their local farmer's co-opt in most cases (big cities not so much) to get something to eat (if they did not produce it themselves).. Our food stuffs were mostly produced and harvested by animal/human power. Will it happen again ? The problem as of today's world is (as most of you on ATS are aware) our magnetic poles are moving and the strength of Earth's magnetic field is weakening.

No doubt.

The when is the question.

Hopefully not in my lifetime. youtu.be...

Hell of a crappy contingency plan to reset the public back to extremes because oooh information and sharing it can wake people up... in an era of propaganda losing its grip and those trying to veer it away from the hands of the people by the people and of the people to keep them rooting for one side of the scale or the other without balance is pretty horrible... a well connected world is a less divided world and no need for republic representation or ivory towers built of greed when people have had enough of the babble babble toil and trouble in the name of every voice can be heard in equality to solve world problems instead of ignorantly and delusionally perpetuate them, the people have always had the power and the key fitting every chain is always in ones own hand... so spite it if one must but theres no power here being exerted of the masses but control in the name of others personal greed by fanning flames of hate and separation instead of a smooth running machine with all life called equality... without any cause for people tossing wrenches or rocks into gears called a life of ignorance over and over and over, when the understanding of the infinite nature only grows and grows and grows.

So yeah, not gods just controllers trying to keep thrones no one is really interested in cease wars that create divides in the homes in the streets and from silly lines no one alive drew and spreading that ignorance like a virus for separation to divide and conquer instead of promote equality and world peace, the emperor wears no clothes once the people has seen the fiend scrambling away like a mad shadow looking for a place to dwell because such misery always wants company, and people really have no time for it, why because craddle to the grave slavery is the real nonsense that goes on and well that is not a perpetual motion machine even though by all appearances it has been for far far too long.

So um yeah, flex it and well the world wont stand for it lay down for it nor take its abuse... believe it or not ignorance and its perpetuation can end when those veils of the greedy and hateful desire a station aboard the insurmountable and immovable. Peaceful process is the way there, those established prepetuating the ignorance to keep thrones and smile like gods on those in their cabinets have already been judged for their abuses even by themselves beyond their own programmed or deprogrammed cognitive dissonance and tropes revealing the framework the farce lay upon called belief, justice and belief both being blind? Theres the eye for and eye and people have lost enough teeth in biting each others backs hands and clawing just to survive... so indeed how could hell be any worse than a deluded world power that tosses both side into extremes in order to gain by robbing life after life after life in pramid scheme after pyramid scheme to be cause or recreate the same nonsense over and over and over...

equality can happen and it is and there is no fear even though a finger steadily points, while paranoid power/authority figures vie for positions on ladders only to rot in such ceaseless conquest over others when they cant even control or conquer that silly little thing called ego that says experience is mine and mine alone, truth prevails and ignorance is not bliss but the karma of seeds that have been planted as a fruit with no substance or reward for encouraging such pain and suffering in the world, when there is such an easier and better way for all life to flow in harmony and balance beyond grasping at straws arguing the conceptual as if it were anything solid to grab ahold of.

Awaken and all of this is apparent... the elite are called priveledged so um who exactly is the parent saying they get the privy and not everyone? Um yeah enough starving people, enough shooting generation after generation out of cannons enough of those that have no one instance of thought or empathy thinking they are somehow above another living senitent being known or unknown. Abuse is just that abuse, and well people have had enough of it and well some obviously would want to stoop to barbarism to maintain or fight against it... but hate does not cease by hate, hate does not cease by ignorance, and delusion is only perpetuated in the name of greed, by not seeing the struggle in another with the care love compassion and empathy as a real parent with unconditional love of life in all its forms no matter the age.

Respect freely given is automatically given back, egos say ouch when touched like bananas in some unseen fight club getting mysterious bruises over night. Beyond birth and death is just that, beyond attachment to powers to control harm or hurt anything other than the pushed belief system to harm hurt and control others is all awakened beings do when waking others up to the realtiy of what is going on and not the however many billions asleep in their own dream within a dream bubble to be exploited by nonsense that causes suffering.

My sincere apologies for any existential crisis this post may cause, but being an alarm clock to reality, is better than being an alarm clock to a machine of enquality that we as living breathing empathetic people have the actual power and control over for something better than just being told to pick up that line and towing it like a good little __________ .

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: carewemust

We are but a factor. We are not the cause.

There is so much information at Suspicious0bservers.org. I got a membership last October, and I still haven't gone through everything there.

It is truly some mind blowing research.

It is a bit on the fringe/ crowd-sourced science frontier, but I believe that frontier is fast becoming far more relevant and informative than main stream, political or corporate sponsored science.

It isn't doom porn as some previous poster alluded to, it is simply informative.

Thank you for posting that !

I am not a member but I do check their youtube channel just about every day simply because of all the stuff they cover; which is packaged in a way that does not take you all day to gleam ! Glad you are a member .... They have so much information even just on youtube..... over the last couple of years have published accepted scientific papers mostly (if I remember correctly ) dealing with solar induction and our planets weather, volcanoes, and earthquakes. Are they spot on ? I dunno. But it does make for some interesting thoughts.... again just my opinion.
youtu.be...

a reply to: Profusion

I was about to point this out. I'm pretty sure that 438 nuclear reactors going into meltdown around the world would cause humanity to go extinct.

>nvm<

a reply to: 727Sky

As far as prediction, he is doing some very interesting stuff with the Outgoing Long-wave Radiation maps, coupling them with planetary geometry, solar activity and using them to predict EQ activity.

I do believe that this group is on the cutting edge of weather prediction, and analysis. They dig into some of the electric universe and how the sun affects weather here. In the short time that I've been following closely, he is correct or close more often than not.

I am itching for the Disaster Prediction App to drop. I made a small contribution to that kick-starter, I do think it will dwarf your usual weather-app as far as information, and in-depth knowledge of what is happening globally and why.

My time there has given me an entirely different perspective of climate change. (Yes, it is real, but the factors aren't as cut and dry as our collective carbon footprints.) This group isn't a bunch of fear mongers, look to the government and msm for that.

Okay so the sun is more active, the earth defenses in general a little weaker. The odds of a big enough CME hitting earth dead on are remote.

When I was kid we had a science teacher demonstrate it to the class.

We cleared all the desks to the edge of the room, a student stood at the center of the room swinging a small ball (about the size of an orange) around their head on ten feet of string. This represented the earth in orbit about the sun.

We took turns, blindfolded, to try and hit the ball with a bb gun. Swear to God, and why I remember the experiment. I lay on the floor on my back trying to shoot a swinging ball with a bb gun while wearing a blindfold.

He also compared those odds to the odds of 'background' radiation striking the nucleus of an atom.

I remember reading somewhere it would take 10 years to replace all the transformers.

no fun, lol

a reply to: syrinx high priest

What if Michael Bay helped?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: syrinx high priest

What if Michael Bay helped?

just more explosions. but some nice eye candy :-)

We dodged a bullet back in July 2012 when we missed getting hit by a Carrington Level event by only a week. If the event occurred one week earlier, the Earth would have been hit directly.

science.nasa.gov...

I'm guessing the first thing we would have noticed would be the Satellite on the television going out just before all the lights go out, the computer power supply exploding from the power surge and then all the power lines in my city catching fire and that would just be the beginning.

a reply to: Phage

Thanks.

I never took the orientation and layout into account, just the total length of continuous wire.

a reply to: 727Sky

Wow, amazing....thanks for this, will keep a close eye! This is what ATS is all about!

a reply to: 727Sky

You had me at Carrington Event. Luckily for us that happened in a time when we were not reliant on electricity. If such an event were to happen now...

The scary thing about solar flares is you can't predict or prevent them-They are solar tsunamis that we can't run away from and all we could do is rebuild civilization once it passes.

a reply to: 727Sky
At first i thought 'more doomsday scare mongering' but it piqued my interest.
If in fact Earth's mag field is becoming weaker then of course CME's will have more effect, and of more consequence; more particles & UV rays getting through to the surface.

I'm sure you remember the scene from Robocop where everyone had to smear green gunk on themselves for a day at the beach; well that's not too far off from what could happen.

As you all know, our mag field tends to pull the charged particles towards the N and S poles, bending them at a shallow angle through the atmosphere and dissipating them harmlessly, and of course providing us primates with a wonderful light show at the same time.

However, if our field is weakening....well it should not be getting weaker, just moving, our molten core of iron is what produces our field, and of course it is slowly moving relative to the earth's surface. Hence the so-called 'magnetic deviation' which cartographers have to take into account.
Even so that's very small, a few seconds of arc each year*, that means over 300 years per degree of shift. Should we be alarmed? Well it keeps the map-makers busy.
Maybe in a few thousand years all compasses will point to Cairo and the meridian will run N-S.

There's also the 11 year sunspot cycle of the sun, which i am well aware of since i was a radio amateur way back in the late 70's. All kinds of wierd atmospheric stuff back then, i remember one of the Oscar sat's having problems, and they were built like tanks.

I am very interested in what happens next, what latest developments will lead us to.
As to the vulnerability of modern life on this planet with our dependence on the internet, computers & satellites, well that's the elephant in the room that no-one wants to talk about.
Given that a well organized terrorist could cause the same kind of damage, i think it's time we took a good long hard look at how we do things here in the 'developed' countries.

Learn to do things the old way, don't rely on the net, the media, the satellites and certainly not the power companies! Learning to get 'off the grid' isn't just some crazy survival freak's dream, it should become our number one priority for the above mentioned reasons.

And don't think you know, because you don't. A grad engineer told me it was impossible to machine a thread on an old lathe, because there was, and i quote him: "No computer controls' on the machine.
So i asked him how did they turn threads on lathes in 1850.
Gears mate, gears and math, that's how!
Jeez it's a miracle we made it this far, IMHO.

The alternatives are many & they all work during the strongest ever CME's or whatever other poop that comes our way. Nuclear fusion of Deuterium & Tritium is not only safe, it's very easy to do. Hey let's not forget helium-3 the gubmint can't get enough of it. And all the while they are sitting on a mountain of 'nuclear waste' er 'plutonium' er worlds best fission fuel.
Despite the propaganda, plutonium makes a very bad bomb, U238 gives you a better bang.
But it is good at slow release of neutrons, excellent heat source if you happen to have a mining base on the moon, for example.
Forget i said that...

Forget power grids, we already have portable fusion reactors, just add water LOL

But i digress, our dependence on the net, on the satellites, on our vastly outdated electrical systems, is a very serious threat to our survival.
I flag this thread!
-PWM-
* Phage or anyone, you can correct me on the exact figures, it's about the issue in general....

ETA;
Hey i see the HAARP antenna is the backdrop for this page, good, read on....
Also, the guy in the film is right, what an X20 flare did years ago was minimal, what it could do today is far worse. This has in some small part to do with higher frequency low power devices of the day than the low frequency higher powered ones of the past.
CMOS is everywhere today, CMOS is very sensitive to static electrickery.

Another aspect not discussed here is the role of HAARP and the way things are changing, remember the giant hole in the ozone above northern europe?
Apparently a last ditch attempt to cool off our planet by blowing a hole in that layer, probably the most destructive experiment ever conducted my mankind, apart from the LHC that is.
If they really did do that, then they are far more insane than i am, LOL again.
Bye

originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: 727Sky

Most species on Earth and many human settlements do not rely on electricity. A modern-time Carrington event would be a game-changer, sure, but it would most certainly not bring extinction.

No, but almost every nuclear reactor on earth failing as a result of their electronics being fried from the power surge of a massive CME might bring it.

a reply to: openminded2011
Geomagnetic storms don't actually cause extreme power surges. Nothing that decent isolators couldn't deal with. Of some concern would be whether the cooling systems would be able to be maintained (and for how long) should there be a systemwide loss of power on the grid.

However, geomagnetic storms do not affect the entire planet simultaneously or with equal intensity. There is not much chance of a global effect.

a reply to: butcherguy
Thats because they were on a points ignition system... stun guns will fry a cars main fuse so likely the main fuse will blow protecting the electronics itself in such an event as a EMP attack which is likely what the OP event was in the first place... but more like 3 mile island scientific oops wtf was that event.