A no kidding #1 threat to mankind's earth and civilization.

a reply to: Phage
Vehicles have unshielded wiring from from to back and believe it or not still have coils of wire (solenoids).
Depending on the strength of the event, voltages induced in those wires can disable electronics.

a reply to: butcherguy
No.
The wiring is not long enough to produce currents of any significance. Hundreds of miles of wire, yes. 15 feet of wire, not.

Shielded or not, is irrelevant. It is the fluctuation of the magnetic field across the wire which induces the current.

a reply to: Phage
Some of the modern luxury vehicles carry 5-10 km of wiring.

Would that be enough to fry a low voltage system?

Does wire diameter affect any of this?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy
No.
The wiring is not long enough to produce currents of any significance. Hundreds of miles of wire, yes. 15 feet of wire, not.

Shielded or not, is irrelevant. It is the fluctuation of the magnetic field across the wire which induced the current.

We will see when it finally happens.
But you do have this on your side:

Your vehicle and other electronics are unaffected.

History shows that no vehicles were disabled during the Carrington event.

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: Phage
Some of the modern luxury vehicles carry 5-10 km of wiring.

Would that be enough to fry a low voltage system?

Does wire diameter affect any of this?

No. It's the actual, layed out, extent of the conductor which is important. Also important is the orientation (north-south, east-west).
The "wavelength" of the magnetic fluctuations is very long. This means that the conductor has to be very long to be affected.

a reply to: 727Sky

I wonder if it was 'JUST' electrical appliances that were affected by the CE? It would be interesting to determine if there is any statistical? evidence that might reveal an effect on organisms?

originally posted by: seattlerat
a reply to: 727Sky

I wonder if it was 'JUST' electrical appliances that were affected by the CE? It would be interesting to determine if there is any statistical? evidence that might reveal an effect on organisms?

No. The electronics we use everyday subject us to far more variations in magnetic fields than the Carrington Event would have.

a reply to: 727Sky

God I hope this never happens until our technology is so advanced it won't be affected. Life without electricity sucks but it will obviously create a dangerous environment for a good majority of the planet!

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: peck420
a reply to: Phage
Some of the modern luxury vehicles carry 5-10 km of wiring.

Would that be enough to fry a low voltage system?

Does wire diameter affect any of this?

No. It's the actual, layed out, extent of the conductor which is important. Also important is the orientation (north-south, east-west).
The "wavelength" of the magnetic fluctuations is very long. This means that the conductor has to be very long to be affected.

Absolutely spot on!
Just to add:
The fear about nuclear power stations being frazzled, is very unlikely. Over here in the uk they know what to do when such an event is expected, they throw open the breakers all over the grid, thereby reducing the length of the conductors to a safe level.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy
No.
The wiring is not long enough to produce currents of any significance. Hundreds of miles of wire, yes. 15 feet of wire, not.

Shielded or not, is irrelevant. It is the fluctuation of the magnetic field across the wire which induced the current.

We will see when it finally happens.
But you do have this on your side:

Your vehicle and other electronics are unaffected.

History shows that no vehicles were disabled during the Carrington event.

No offence butcher guy, but comparing a car in 1859 to one in 2016, is like comparing a cassette tape with an iPhone.. Cars in 1859 still ran on steam and the first workable combustion engine was developed the same year as the Carrington event.
So you can forget about any electronics in the vehicles.

Anyway just saying.. Modern cars still wont be affected as pointed out by phage earlier.

a reply to: Misterlondon

I said that in jest.
I figured it was self evident. The Carrington Event happened in what, 1859?
Unless you include Cugnot's one trip invention... Not a lot of cars driving around then.

This seems like a legit threat because we rely so much on electricity these days. I wonder how often this type of event happens?

a reply to: darkbake
No human historical record because it's not something that really does anything noticeable in the absence of electrically powered devices and satellite communications.

However, there is circumstantial evidence in the form of radioisotope distributions that very strong events like the Carrington occur one or twice in a thousand years.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: butcherguy
Think no food and a extreme lack of potable water happening very quickly.

Which is why I refer to my neighbors as Mr. and Mrs. Sandwich and the Appetizer Kids.

Hahahaha!!

"We were so hungry we were forced to eat that family of hobbits. I don't want to talk about it". from a TV show called Galavant.

Fear porn, weeeeeee.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I am sure there are several threads with much detail about the Carrington event of 1859 however I elected to post this new video ... call it a refresher !

IMO it is a well done video on the 1859 Carrington event that melted just about everything electrical on the planet. From what I have read the skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily during the night as in normal daylight. Auroras pulsated even at tropical latitudes as far south as El Salvador which is right on down there to witness an aurora.

If this happened today I would bet that the population would be reduced by a rather large percentage in many countries just from starvation alone....

In 1859 there were plenty of food stuff producers and the society of humans went to their local farmer's co-opt in most cases (big cities not so much) to get something to eat (if they did not produce it themselves).. Our food stuffs were mostly produced and harvested by animal/human power. Will it happen again ? The problem as of today's world is (as most of you on ATS are aware) our magnetic poles are moving and the strength of Earth's magnetic field is weakening.

No doubt.

The when is the question.

Hopefully not in my lifetime. youtu.be...

Love the post!

Love the carrington event! Guess it's just not sexy enough for most conspiracy/doom porn people!

Agree the next natural disaster we face will most likely be a carribgton event.



Don't think we lose a big portion of the population....

Almost every plane crashes ( a few great pilots would glide down. )

Everyone on life support dies.

Not sure there are a lot of car crashes...most likely everyone grinds to a hauler.

All the sattillites die.


But it wouldn't ruin most things, they would just require a couple swapped out parts. So I think your modern countries, are up and running with in a year.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: butcherguy
No.
The wiring is not long enough to produce currents of any significance. Hundreds of miles of wire, yes. 15 feet of wire, not.

Shielded or not, is irrelevant. It is the fluctuation of the magnetic field across the wire which induced the current.

We will see when it finally happens.
But you do have this on your side:

Your vehicle and other electronics are unaffected.

History shows that no vehicles were disabled during the Carrington event.

Vehicles back then didn't have batteries.or electronics.

a reply to: 727Sky

I hope this event doesn't happen in the Winter! Those of us up north would probably die in a traffic jam headed south towards a warmer climate.

a reply to: 727Sky

Wow what a thread

So true and it just so happens that there will be a second one in 2018

Oops I really must stop spilling the beans

If enough nuclear plants lost power, the planet would be in a world of hurt. The modern version of the Day the Earth Stood Still rankled with me immediately because of that. "Ok.. well, we'll spare your planet I guess, but sure.. 438 nuclear reactors will go on meltdown 'cause we are turning off all your power. Good luck with that!"