God Did It! The rest is post modern chatter!

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Atheism=a lack of a belief.

And you believe it.

no. I accept it.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Atheism=a lack of a belief.

And you believe it.

no. I accept it.

Lol!!!

no. I accept it but I don't believe it.

conundrum much.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Atheism=a lack of a belief.

And you believe it.

no. I accept it.

Lol!!!

no. I accept it but I don't believe it.

conundrum much.

No one said you have to believe me or understand it. The way I lack belief is just that. My way.

So, how about you get back on topic instead of focus img on me?

Have you proven God yet? No.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Atheism=a lack of a belief.

And you believe it.

no. I accept it.

Lol!!!

no. I accept it but I don't believe it.

conundrum much.

No one said you have to believe me or understand it. The way I lack belief is just that. My way.

So, how about you get back on topic instead of focus img on me?

Have you proven God yet? No.

Who said - I have to believe you?

Since you already admitted that you don't believe what you accept and yet accept it, then there's no truth in what you say.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Atheism=a lack of a belief.

And you believe it.

no. I accept it.

Lol!!!

no. I accept it but I don't believe it.

conundrum much.

No one said you have to believe me or understand it. The way I lack belief is just that. My way.

So, how about you get back on topic instead of focus img on me?

Have you proven God yet? No.

Who said - I have to believe you?

Since you already admitted that you don't believe what you accept and yet accept it, then there's no truth in what you say.

Again, my lack of belief isn't the topic.

originally posted by: edmc^2
Precisely - it's a belief that there's no evidence for the existence of God.

Define it however you want, it's still a FORM of belief.

Saying it's a disbelief is still a form of belief. Because in order to disbelieve something you must believe it that it is not.

Like I said - pohtahtoe potato - however you say it's still a potato.

It's not a BELIEF that there is no evidence for the existence of god. It's a fact that there is no evidence(objective of course) for the existence of god. This may change one day when / if science finds god, but thus far there is no reason TO believe. As an agnostic atheist, I won't discount the possibility of god completely, I just won't believe it blindly. I need evidence.

Lack of belief isn't a form of belief. That's like saying misunderstanding is a form of understanding. It's really the opposite.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: edmc^2
Precisely - it's a belief that there's no evidence for the existence of God.

Define it however you want, it's still a FORM of belief.

Saying it's a disbelief is still a form of belief. Because in order to disbelieve something you must believe it that it is not.

Like I said - pohtahtoe potato - however you say it's still a potato.

It's not a BELIEF that there is no evidence for the existence of god. It's a fact that there is no evidence(objective of course) for the existence of god. This may change one day when / if science finds god, but thus far there is no reason TO believe. As an agnostic atheist, I won't discount the possibility of god completely, I just won't believe it blindly. I need evidence.

Lack of belief isn't a form of belief. That's like saying misunderstanding is a form of understanding. It's really the opposite.

Missed the point. It's not that to atheist's there's no evidence for the existence of God but that Atheism itself is a FORM of belief. And Atheist like yourself doesn't seem to get it.

Case in point.

You said:

It's a fact that there is no evidence(objective of course) for the existence of god.

To which I will ask you:

Do you BELIEVE it?

Your answer is:

a reply to: edmc^2

Again, not the topic.

When ARE you going to get on topic and try to prove (badly) God again?

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: edmc^2

Again, not the topic.

When ARE you going to get on topic and try to prove (badly) God again?

Already did it. But since you can't even utter the word BELIEVE to show that you believe what you accepted as fact, then it will be very difficult for you to see the evidence of the existence of God.

It's like an alcoholic accepting that a lifetime boozing can make you a drunk but at the same time doesn't believe that it'll make you an alcoholic - in denial of reality.

a reply to: edmc^2

You have proven nothing of the sort.

So instead of trying to actually prove something you just go after what members do or don't believe? I fail to see how this is the topic.

In other words - the problem is not the evidence. The problem is your inability to see the evidence with an open mind.

The fact that the WORDS Faith and Belief frightens you shows me you have a close mind.

originally posted by: edmc^2
In other words - the problem is not the evidence. The problem is your inability to see the evidence with an open mind.

So the "evidence" is only "evidence" if you believe it? That's not scientific at all. You should know better.

The fact that the WORDS Faith and Belief frightens you shows me you have a close mind.

They don't frighten me at all. You interpreting what I said into that shows that you are ignorant outside of your precious circle. As for having a closed mind?? Are you for real? You seem to forget that this thread is about you proving God. I was open minded coming into it, but there has been no evidence provided.

a reply to: edmc^2

You don't yet seem to grasp: there are facts of reality that persist no matter what we believe. The earth was never the center of the universe no matter what anyone believed, nor was it ever flat.

Belief. Is. Irrelevant.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: edmc^2
In other words - the problem is not the evidence. The problem is your inability to see the evidence with an open mind.

So the "evidence" is only "evidence" if you believe it? That's not scientific at all. You should know better.

The fact that the WORDS Faith and Belief frightens you shows me you have a close mind.

They don't frighten me at all. You interpreting what I said into that shows that you are ignorant outside of your precious circle. As for having a closed mind?? Are you for real? You seem to forget that this thread is about you proving God. I was open minded coming into it, but there has been no evidence provided.

He is saying that you are not creative enough to do the mental backflips reqired to pretend the bible fits science...perfectly no less.

a reply to: TzarChasm

You are on Earth and you gaze into the depths of the Universe in all directions every night for a year...
If you take all that you have seen the Universe would be limited by the size of your telescope but equal in all directions... But at the center of all your findings would be the Earth...

a reply to: 5StarOracle

Yah, so what??

You can do that same thing from everywhere else in the universe as well. Earth is no more the center than anywhere else. You are always the center from as far as you can see around you. Not the same.

a reply to: mOjOm

So what?
The statement is entirely accurate when this perspective is taken into consideration...
That's what...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: mOjOm

So what?
The statement is entirely accurate when this perspective is taken into consideration...
That's what...

but the statement is in fact entirely inaccurate. thats the point. and no matter what anyone believes, evolution and gravity and heliocentric models will continue to persist, mental backflips or no.

originally posted by: edmc^2
To which I will ask you:

Do you BELIEVE it?

Your answer is:

I am agnostic so I do not believe one way or the other. I DO BELIEVE that we do not know the answer but may find out someday. Until evidence is found, the logical default is non existence, so I have to go with logic. No belief necessary to not consider something with no evidence to back it.

a reply to: TzarChasm

The fact is we reside on Earth it is the center of our universe...
Because we have not found the boundries of our Universe it is wrong to even say we are not the true center of the universe...
The truth is unknown because we do not have the full picture...