America is an oligarchy, not a democracy or republic, university study finds

I think I had that figured out when I looked at My first paycheck at 15. It's funny how college educated liberals call us stupid but they can't even figure this out unless they have a masters degree. Maybe those idiots should stop focusing on liberal arts and pickup a history book because every government throughout history was an oligarchy.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Same thing, saw it posted on a blog and didn't catch the date...

a reply to: Klassified

Obama, Clinton, Kerry - all of them refer to us as a democracy without fail. It's the big lie and Goebbels was right. The Versailles treaty ensured a Nationalist German state would evolve. Short a revolution or military/intelligence coup the US is headed for absorption in the World Globalist Communist State.

We still have the basis for a fair and equitable state. The framework of the founders remains and can be reclaimed if we are but willing to pay the price. Considering the alternative I see no choice but to clean house and restore the balance of powers that served us so well until the last few decades.

The Fed is a whole other monkey.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

This also mirrors the leaked Citi group memo put out to their wealthy clients in 2005, which their lawyers tried to hastily stop the spread of unsuccessfully


politicalgates.blogspot.com...

"Are they real?" That's the question people usually ask when they hear for the first time of the "Citigroup Plutonomy Memos." The sad truth is: Yes, they are real, and instead of being discussed on mainstream media outlets all over America and beyond, Citigroup was surprisingly successful so far in suppressing these memos, using their lawyers to issue takedown-notices whenever these memos were being made available for download on the internet.

Then comes a key-part of the first "Plutonomy" memo: Plutonomy only works if the members of a society have the impression that they can still participate, despite the harsh inequalities, that they "can join it." The analysts use the term "robber-baron economies" and conclude that a "potential social backlash" is possible. Becoming a "Pluto-participant" is the "embodiement of the 'American Dream'" -and this dream should not die, otherwise the Plutocrats could be in real trouble.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

It is a democratic republic, constitutionally speaking. One refers to the way in which leaders are chosen, the second to how the state is constituted.

You vote Republican, so you think America is a republic? That's quite funny, actually.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals
Every University I hear discussing the US calls us a "democracy" same as most politicians and leftist hacks. As if repeating something enough times will make it a fact. Keep dreaming socialists and world government wannabes, the US is a Republic and the only form of government that I will recognize.

Yet its not even a working republic........


The US government has failed.

All in the name of "creating jobs".

The problem with American politics at national and State level, is that candidates tend to need loads of cash to progress. This either makes candidates beholden to rich special interests who fund their progression, or are rich enough to start with, for example Clinton versus Trump.

The amount of money flying around the presidential elections should stand as a warning. If only those with access to money can progress in US politics then that is not really an oligarchy, but more a limiter of access.

Russia is more an oligarchy. The people in power are either excessively rich to start or get rich in post. The nature of Russian politics, based around corruption and nepotism, is more oligarchic in nature.

The USA needs to make some decisions on how to resolve the money issue that prevents and constrains access to political power of “normal” people. They should take a leaf out of other countries, such as the UK that limits spending on campaigns so as not to “price out” candidates, or the French presidential elections with a 30 million dollar/Euro limit.

The last observation is the creation of political dynasties in the US e.g. the Bush and Clinton dynasties. That’s really worrying as power is concentrating in a few, well connected groups. That’s nepotism under a different guise. Nepotism in politics is very worrying, as it is the ultimate limiter of access to political power. It's on reason NOT TO vote for Clinton who has got to where she has through her connections rather than her merit.

PS These are just my opinions. I am not an American so just looking in from the outside.

originally posted by: paraphi




. The nature of Russian politics, based around corruption and nepotism, is more oligarchic in nature.

Nope that still pretty much sounds like US politics.

Maybe not as bad as Russia but DC certainly spins around corruption, nepotism and special interest.

Personally is trust the inmates of a Fedral prison more than anyone in capital hill.

Hell the USA would be better off it it replaced its entire congress and the president with cats.
Same amount of work will be done but least it would be cute.

a reply to: Astyanax

In 30 some years of voting I have never pulled the lever for a Republican Presidential candidate.
I did vote once for both Clinton and Obama on their first terms (last chance I will ever give the Democratic party).
Every other election I have voted 3rd party/independent out of spite for the 2 party system.

To be proper the US is a Constitutional Republic.
I still believe it is a viable system of government if checks and balances were restored.

America is an oligarchy, not a democracy or republic, university study finds

It was a boiling frog process but the US now ruled by corporate interest. As always..."Money talks and BS walks"

Ask yourself, "who has the resources to affect change in the American style of government" ?

There you have it...a corpratracy. Ruled by the monied interest thru corruption, bribes, outside lobbyist, etc.

The Ayn Rand fiction turned nightmare reality.

It's amazing how after we are entrenched in the Afghan and Iraq wars, we find out we are not a democracy. Did George and the republicans tell another lie, from 2003.
WSHINGTON -- President Bush laid out a broad vision Thursday of an American mission to spread democracy throughout the Middle East and the rest of the world, saying, "Freedom can be the future of every nation."

Engendering democracy across the Middle East "must be a focus of American policy for decades to come," the president said in a speech to the National Endowment for Democracy, a federally funded foundation that promotes reform abroad.

He offered no new program for promoting democracy nor any specifics for how the United States will encourage what he called the "global democratic revolution."
www.baltimoresun.com...

a reply to: jkm1864

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

We the corporations, no, we the representatives, no, we the men, it says We The People, are you human?

It is up to us to "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity (children).

I am not a college educated liberal, but even I can read the Constitution, what's left of it after the past 15 years.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Did anyone actually read the study?

Sometimes i think of starting an experiment on ATS posting fake study titles and seeing how long it takes people to catch on.

The Epistemology of the Umbilicus Under Constant Observation in Mammals, by Pinke.

a reply to: ketsuko

and doesnt that just exemplify the problem with the structure of our society, nothing is accomplished without pay. the more you can pay the more you can do.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Sad thing is that someone paid them to figure this out.

maybe they just wanted proof of what a majority of people already suspected.

a reply to: Blackmarketeer

Yeah, well. Except it' isn't the US only, rather a Brave New Worldligarchy messing with globalisation.

Great study though, S&F.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

To be proper the US is a Constitutional Republic.

Well, yes. That is what I meant.

The word ‘republic’ has two meanings. One is constitutional; it means a state with a removable president rather than a monarch. It is in this sense that the USA is a republic. But ‘republic’ also means ‘government by the people’. Whether or not this also applies is a matter of opinion, but it is undoubtedly true that US citizens elect their leaders in a democratic process, and this makes it also a democracy.

Since I am not American, your party affiliation doesn’t concern me. But I’ve often found, on this site, that Republican voters and conservatives in general insist that the US is a republic, not a democracy. In fact it is both.

a reply to: Pinke

The Epistemology of the Umbilicus Under Constant Observation in Sapient Mammals, by Pinke.