Cops Taunted Veteran as He Died

a reply to: TrueBrit

In March of last month 111 U.S. citizens were killed by Police. In the 20th century (1900-1999) 52 British citizens were killed by U.K. Police. We more than doubled Birtian's 99 year score in 30 days. EVRYTHING is fine, move along people.

That's right ladies and gentlemen. This happened. Here in America.

We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here. Or something like that.

originally posted by: 191stMIDET
a reply to: TrueBrit

In March of last month 111 U.S. citizens were killed by Police. In the 20th century (1900-1999) 52 British citizens were killed by U.K. Police. We more than doubled Birtian's 99 year score in 30 days. EVRYTHING is fine, move along people.

USA! USA! USA! USA!

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Spider879
People need to go to jail over this. .

no way man...people need to die over this! if that were my kid, I'd be out for blood

originally posted by: buddah6
I didn't read all of this OP and I may be off base on this. Every post that I was assigned while on active duty the police were alway heavy handed. They say that's just GIs acting badly. My take on this is the local police use the soldiers as a revenue source.

At least at Benning they generally wanted to fine you for things you didn't do. At Bragg, the deputies wait for Robin Sage and then try to harass/shoot the guys in possible off-post phases of the exercise. Even though they've been informed that you will be out and about in other people's property with permission, with unloaded rifles, in uniform.

a reply to: Spider879

We need to avoid the cops at all costs. Its unfortunate this guy was murdered. When the cops were called his death warrant was signed.

Why do you guys accept this as NORMAL?

originally posted by: crazyewok
Why do you guys accept this as NORMAL?

I think using the word "accept" makes it an invalid question.

Do we see it as normal? Unfortunately, its become that way. The risk with that is you get shouted down by "the Thin Blue Line" types. Same as when you criticize the military. They are a sacred cow.

But I don't think we (all) accept it. I know I don't. Our local sheriff would never allow something like this to happen. He's our neighbor, afterall.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

I think that is a shame as you all deserve better.


And yeah im sure a lot of the local sherrifs are on the whole pretty good.

It seems to be the big citys were you have the problem.

Big faceless beurocracys with centralised power will breed thugs.

originally posted by: Tiamat384
a reply to: Spider879
Horrifying. To think that a man who fought, likely with the interests of freedom and the feelings of patriotism in his heart, should be left to a demise unfit for any organism, let alone a person and let alone a person who fought for their country.

sooooooooooooooo...........let's write those congressmen to increase the budgets for veterans, so they can get the help they need....you know, like Obama proposed in the 2015 budget, but republicans cut those benefits to approx. 70,000 veterans...
www.politicususa.com...

and in 2014
www.politicususa.com...

and in 2013
www.politicususa.com...

originally posted by: crazyewok


Big faceless beurocracys with centralised power will breed thugs.

Indeed. A lot of folks stay in the country for this very reason. I know i do. Due to my work, I still deal with all manner of regulatory authority. But on the whole, our laws are lax and easy to follow out here in the sticks. For example: i can park just about anywhere I want and no one will say anything. I can't get towed because no one has the legal signage to tow me for parking on their property. Mostly because its just not an issue I guess.

Im also a big believer in having a license to carry. It gives me kind of a 'fast track' when dealing with cops. That license tells them that my background is clear, that im one of "the good guys", right off the bat. Even if im not carrying.

a reply to: 191stMIDET

Now look here...

This will probably not be a very popular opinion, especially amongst members from my own neck of the woods, but I feel it is a point which needs to be made, and made clearly.

The only thing wrong with the head count of the dead, is the portion of that number who did not deserve to wind up on the wrong side of the river Styx. I am not an unrealistic chap. If a pair of fellows just pulled a bank heist, and aimed to blow away every first responder they could get a line of sight on during some getaway chase, then those individuals need to be taken out before a single innocent dies.

If there is a murderer loose on the streets just offing passers by with a sawn off, then officers need to act decisively to prevent that individual from continuing to work toward his doctorate in impromptu ballistic surgery. If they are raiding a drug den, and five guys pounce from the shadows with stolen, military grade, fully automatic weapons with ridiculous cyclical rates, then those five guys had better die, instead of the policemen who are chasing them. Crazies packing drugs, AND guns like that in tandem, are rarely the sort you want to be running amok.

If ALL of the individuals in that one hundred and eleven strong number of the dead, were posing a mortal threat to either the lives of officers, or the public at the time they were snuffed out, then sad as it is that they took that route, their actions are their own responsibility, and they have reaped what they have been sowing. That is the best shot any of us get in life. However, that is simply not the case. Although you will not find me wringing my hands when some thug gets bagged and tagged, to the great relief of anyone living within the same five block radius as he occupies, unnecessary death at the hands of law enforcement is a travesty, an absolute disgrace, and there are few so tragic as the one detailed in the OP.

A man who posed no threat, left to die of a broken neck after hour upon seemingly unceasing hour of what must have been a horrific amount of suffering, both physical and psychological, deserves our sympathy. Professional criminals, murderers, molesters, gang hitters, and the like, deserve pretty much any negative consequence they happen across on this world.

This is a distinction we loose sight of all to readily. I live in a nation where the law does not support a persons right to defend themselves and their community from nefarious persons, in any but the most prosaic and often ineffectual fashion. I also live in a nation where the police seem to gain new powers over the law abiding every week, but seem incapable of bringing a criminal to justice, without having them out again on good behaviour, or some other such rubbish, regardless of what they might have done previously, unless they happen to have been one of the big time psychos.

That "softer than ice cream gets when you put a hot donut on top of it" approach has lead to deaths here before. I would rather see droves of scum mown down with a couple of coaxial mounted LMGs, than see some of the bastards we let out of our jails walk free. But for a single innocent to die, for a single person to die slowly, of an injury inflicted by an officer, when their guilt is not assured and they no longer pose a threat to human life, is utterly and totally disgusting.

Again, it is not about how many die, it is about how many made a wilful decision to behave in a fashion that could only have lead to their dying. Living by violence, and ending in it is karma. Living in peace and dying in agony, from wounds uninvited, and undeserved? Not so much.

a reply to: jimmyx
I'm not even sure of the purpose of this being directed at me lol Go write.

"History of mental illness."

Unfortunately, once that label exists - let alone in a Stanford Prison experiment (look it up if unfamiliar) like environment, which essentially any law enforcement environment has the potential to be - respect for prior service to country, empathy, concern for wellbeing, and other common niceities can quickly go out the window.

Why? Because in the minds of those with authority (especially those who have "seen it all,") it's tragically often the case that those four little words mean any and all displays, expressions, outbursts, pleas, claims, symptoms, behaviors, fears, concerns, and needs are probably just a product of said illness.

A person without any known history of mental illness goes to their primary care doctor and complains of tingling extremities, dizziness, and blurred vision. The doctor is concerned and runs a battery of tests. A person with a history of anxiety walks in and complains of the same symptoms. "It's probably just anxiety." Just one of countless examples.

Now imagine this happening when you're NOT in a medical setting (even though medical or at least psychiatric professionals were present, the environment and what is allowed to become routine and protocol in said environment can definitely shape the conclusions of those professionals,) but in one geared toward security, being punitive, a place where feigning illness might not be uncommon, etc. ... and you can see how this can end up even worse.

As it, despicably, tragically, senselessly did in this man's case.

Peace.

originally posted by: crazyewok
Why do you guys accept this as NORMAL?

For the same reason you accept being ruled by Germanic, inbred, nazi, murdering pedophiles as normal.

If the poor fella is on the damn floor screaming you think them idiots would ask why and then there would be some kind of commentary. Since the guy is dead I am assuming that didn't happen. What we have here is a lack of care and a lack of communication both of which they have failed to do, and they call themselves doctors LOL. Them SOB's are negligent through and through and IMO they should share that vets same fate in the same manner it was given. We all know that won't happen. At the very least they should be sued for a hefty sum and lose their license to practice forever.

a reply to: Chadwickus

I think what happened to the inmate is similar to what we call a Crusher Tackle here in australia in the NRL (rugby league).

The injury does not leave any visual damage but can certainly break the neck by stretching the base of the brain stem.