I just had my life threatened debating ideas within Islam!

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: MystikMushroom

And to wrap it up under the false pretenses of "gaining understanding" and "attempted tolerance" is disingenuous at best. It's a PC excuse to find and seek out those one doesn't agree with in order to impress upon them their own beliefs in an attempt to prove one's moral, ethical, and intellectual superiority.

So what the OP pointed out is not true?

If one seeks out other cultures and finds "radicals" to "debate" with -- one really isn't debating, but rather intentionally looking for explosive situations in order to confirm their own biases and prove themselves right.

A lot of assumptions. How do you know he was looking for radicals? Apparently you think this guy was a radical, but it is clear that these views and practices are widespread in Egypt, for instance.

To play it down and suggest that this was just one radical and an isolated case is a classic apologetic tactic. Shifting blame to the person who dares to criticise, is too.

Maybe so but comparing Egypt to any other Arabic countries is apples to oranges. And the fact its widespread in Egypt doesnt make it less radical now does it?

a reply to: Hazardous1408

Doesn't the quran itself refer to girls who have not menstruated yet, so children, when it is setting out rules for re-marriage? Clearly implying that girls who have not menstruated yet are marriage material.

a reply to: whatsup86

And the fact its widespread in Egypt doesnt make it less radical now does it?

No it sure doesn't. Are you sure that you understood what I was saying?

originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: whatsup86

originally posted by: Hecate666
Can have heated discussions with christians here on ATS with nobody getting threatened for their life but when muslims do what they do best [getting offended and threatening with violence] the apologists come out of the woodworks and defend them at all costs by spinning words and meanings.

OP has all the right to come on here and voice his annoyance about a well out of proportion reaction. If you find it unnecessary, don't read it.

It's all dandy telling us that everyone would get annoyed and threaten to kill someone over the internet if we insulted them, but then I think: Nahh, I have been insulted big time and never threatened anyone in that way EVER.

The culture thing goes two ways. OP comes from a culture where he has the freedom to question any medieval beliefs and expect to get a civilised answer.

All of you who love culture so much, how about fighting for our advanced civilisation and culture instead of always pandering to those that hold some very questionable beliefs?
Is it because you agree with them?

I so had enough of this. OP I am on your side 100%. Keep the posts coming, the truth has to be told and not stifled.

Thats all fine and all but cant you do it in the 1001 other threads that have been created about this topic? Truth? Really so this thread is about truth now? And what is that truth exactly? Muslims are pedos? Muslims want to kill you because you dont agree with them?

Or is it you all generalizing Muslims all to willingly with any example of an incident that is brought up? And people that dont jump on your bandwagon of hate, fear and division are apologists?

Ill remind you of 2 facts: It is Muslims that are fighting Isis. And Islam has 100s of dispersions that are spread out over many different cultures.

And I dont see anyone taking that into account when replying here.

Yeah, some muslims are fighting muslims. You are correct. Who are these other ones then that are always angry and offended? Yes, they are muslims too.
It's almost as if there are different kinds of muslims. Just as there are christians and all those other baloney religions that can never agree what to believe.
I don't care about religion, only when it threatens the peace of my life. At the moment I don't see any christians doing this or I would lay into them just the same. I don't discriminate when I insult organised religion, they are all the same.

You say nobody takes into account that there are 'nice' muslims, yet I question if anyone takes into account that there are some really big pain in the ass muslims too. And it is those that we are annoyed about. If all muslims were nice I am sure this thread would never exist.

Just to clarify, the same goes for christians. As soon as they throw homosexuals of their church towers, I'll be the first one to rant against them as well. It's time to acknowledge that islam as believed by the uneducated masses is incompatible with our culture. Only then can we find a way to sort this out. Not if we keep on denying the undeniable.

No i ment to say people are generalizing. And if you think that brings any solution whatsover go ahead.

Islam is incompatible and needs reforming, but generalizing and spreading hate will never accomplish that. Instead it will directly feed extremism by estranging muslims. And id rather be part of the solution than the problem.

Je suis OP!

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: whatsup86

And the fact its widespread in Egypt doesnt make it less radical now does it?

No it sure doesn't. Are you sure that you understood what I was saying?

"A lot of assumptions. How do you know he was looking for radicals? Apparently you think this guy was a radical, but it is clear that these views and practices are widespread in Egypt, for instance. "

The fact you used the word "but" in that context (right after that particicular question) makes it seem you think the fact something cant be radical if its widespread. Otherwise you might want to make yourself clear because then I dont know what youre trying to say there, no.

a reply to: whatsup86

What about the rest of my post that you didn't qoute, where I make it clear that it is not just one radical, and not an isolated case? Hmm?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

So why are you attacking him?

I am sorry, you're the one that claimed i liked pedos cause i thought the op was behing full of it, nice deflection, next post will it be victimhood or attacks, ball is in your court lol.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

It seems you are still avoiding the question.

i thought the op was behing full of it,

So this is why you were attacking him? Being full of it regarding what, exactly?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

It seems you are still avoiding the question.

i thought the op was behing full of it,

So this is why you were attacking him? Being full of it regarding what, exactly?

Plz quote where i attacked you, cant wait for your next reply. deflect play the victim and then insult people, too easy.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Plz quote where i attacked you

I wasn't talking about me, was I.

You sure are having a hard time answering a simple question.

If you walk into a bear pit with a long sharp stick and the intention of poking a bear with it, when you find a bear and poke it and it rips your face off, is that the bears fault, and should you be complaining about it?

Sure, you could suggest the bear could have been more reasonable about it, but it was probably pissed off because people with sticks kept poking it in a really, really sore spot.

In terms of diplomacy, suggesting that someones holy figure might be a pedophile really isn't likely to win you any friends.

In terms of the overall subject, you do realise that up until 1900, the average life expectancy on world wide basis wasn't much greater than 35, and that European and American Law on marriage and age of consent was not exactly an anti pedophilia show case either?

Age of Consent in European & American History

It seems you may be in a glass house throwing stones. Of course, such things are absolutely heinous by today's standards - and rightly so - but "today" is subjective, and times were certainly less enlightened than they are now.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Plz quote where i attacked you

I wasn't talking about me, was I.

You sure are having a hard time answering a simple question.

Lol your too funny, , nice troll job. Replying to you is like arguing with my 9 year old, so much fail in so little words.

a reply to: neformore

More apologies.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: neformore

More apologies.

You think that saying that a man who lived 1200 years ago and calling him a pedo is similar that what is going on in the 21st century.

More fail, trollolol

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Where did I claim that you attacked me? We were talking about your response to the OP the whole time. Right now you are just making stuff up.

I'll ask you again, what is your specific problem with the OP. You said he was full of it. Regarding what exactly? Simple question.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969

You think that saying that a man who lived 1200 years ago and calling him a pedo is similar that what is going on in the 21st century.

Child brides are not being pimped out to paying men right now in the 21st century, in Egypt for instance?

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

Where did I claim that you attacked me? We were talking about your response to the OP the whole time. Right now you are just making stuff up.

I'll ask you again, what is your specific problem with the OP. You said he was full of it. Regarding what exactly? Simple question.

He claimed that he was peacefully talking with a muslim before he got death threats. No proof just a mans opinion, if you check is record on ats he goes around attacking people and telling them hes going to hurt them physicly cause hes a tough guy.

SO your defending a opinion with calling people pedo lovers, more fail, again we can do this all day.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: dukeofjive696969

You think that saying that a man who lived 1200 years ago and calling him a pedo is similar that what is going on in the 21st century.

Child brides are not being pimped out to paying men right now in the 21st century, in Egypt for instance?

Utah marriage law is 14 years old, catholic priest still rape kids, and don't go to jail, got any other examples lol.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Apologies?

For what exactly? Historical fact?

Try reading what I linked.