We should thank Trump and Bernie Sanders for showing that the elections are fixed.

Only in the the general election the votes matter.

Right?

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Only in the the general election the votes matter. Right?

No; they do not. The electoral college has the choice to vote with the constituency (popular ballot influence) but does not have to. The Popular Vote does not win elections (EVER).

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

Really? Where were you in 2000?

Oh good lord, Florida again?

Newsflash. Gore lost Florida. Every recount said so. Even the recounts done by the media afterwards.

The reason the recounts went to the SCOTUS was because the way that Gore and the Democratic party wanted to recount select districts was not legal. Gore had to be slapped upside the head and told to recount in a legal manner. When that happened, Gore Lost. Every. Time.

Seriously. Drop it. The zombie horse is getting gamier every year.

Kind of sad. As if people are trying to desensitize the population to the idea of creating dictatorships where leaders are openly chosen to rule.

It makes me want to puke seeing how blatantly corrupt the people of these times are. Makes me want to die seeing that no one seems to care enough to do anything about any of it.

a reply to: Teikiatsu
Recounts do not count. The popular vote does not decide who the President will be; either party.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

You really think that?

This is the U$. HELL NO!

It's very unlikely but due to the way the general election works you can become president with ~22% of the popular vote.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: vethumanbeing
How can you buy a delegate? Why is that legal?

Money, Influence and Promises made. IT IS NOT LEGAL; its GRAFT. By another name 'Dirty Politics'. The acquisition of money; to gain an advantage by being dishonest unfair by illegal means through the abuse of ones influence in political power, business. Method/purpose: to gain an advantage.

Actually it is legal. These parties are private organizations and can do as they please. I do not in any way condone this, I'm just telling you the hard truth.

When Ted Cruz speaks of his organized ground game, that's code speak for he's really good at bribing the political cartel. Yes, the very same cartel he speaks of with so much faux disdain.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

How are we different from a totalitarian regime that appoints their leaders?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Oh good lord, Florida again?

Newsflash. Gore lost Florida. Every recount said so. Even the recounts done by the media afterwards.

The reason the recounts went to the SCOTUS was because the way that Gore and the Democratic party wanted to recount select districts was not legal. Gore had to be slapped upside the head and told to recount in a legal manner. When that happened, Gore Lost. Every. Time.

Seriously. Drop it. The zombie horse is getting gamier every year.

Oh ok. So Bush winning that election wasn't an example of the system being rigged against the public, but when it is YOUR guy that the system is supposedly screwing over then it's all a bunch of bull#. Glad you cleared that up.

So our leaders are appointed and not elected?

This was a good definition of how the delegates and super delegates ( in the Democratic Party ) works.

www.nydailynews.com...

It's very confusing because the "rules" for delegates is different in both parties. It seems Republican delegates seem to be more obligated to vote according to the majority in their districts, however this is not mandatory and more of a "gentleman's agreement".

The Democratic party gets more tricky with it's super-delegates and "pledged" delegates that don't seem to have the same standard as voting with the majority. We can't even hold many of them accountable by voting them out since they are retired , old school establishment members who no longer have any obligation to vote with the popular vote. It stinks.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Teikiatsu
Recounts do not count. The popular vote does not decide who the President will be; either party.

I never said they did. In fact, I say the opposite.

But popular count *does* decide where Electoral Vote go from within a state. In this case, Florida.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Oh good lord, Florida again?

Newsflash. Gore lost Florida. Every recount said so. Even the recounts done by the media afterwards.

The reason the recounts went to the SCOTUS was because the way that Gore and the Democratic party wanted to recount select districts was not legal. Gore had to be slapped upside the head and told to recount in a legal manner. When that happened, Gore Lost. Every. Time.

Seriously. Drop it. The zombie horse is getting gamier every year.

Oh ok. So Bush winning that election wasn't an example of the system being rigged against the public, but when it is YOUR guy that the system is supposedly screwing over then it's all a bunch of bull#. Glad you cleared that up.

Stay on target. Bush won the popular vote in Florida, so he won Florida's electoral votes. Florida's electoral votes were not won by the popular vote from any other state, or combination thereof.

As I have said before, the Presidency is not a representative position therefore is not won by popular vote. That is what our Congressional Representatives are for.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
So our leaders are appointed and not elected?

Many positions are appointed, the Presidency however is not, and neither is Congress, though you don't directly vote for President.

a reply to: Aazadan

What are we voting for if we are not voting for the candidate?

a reply to: Teikiatsu

Oh I know how the system works. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of calling out this instance of the system working as intended while pretending like it wasn't obvious since at least 2000. I don't have any problems with what is going on right now.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Aazadan

What are we voting for if we are not voting for the candidate?

You're telling the EC who you would prefer as President, usually they go along with the will of the people.

a reply to: Aazadan

So its just a glorified popularity contest and not a election.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: Aazadan

So its just a glorified popularity contest and not a election.

All elections are popularity contests.