America not Democracy it is sure what they tought us in middle/high school in 70's, 80's

America not Democracy but it is sure what they were teaching us in middle and high school in the 70's and 80's. Anyone else remember that? US election system is actually more like old Soviet Politburo than a democracy.

Total sham. Is it time for "We the People" to demand a popular Vote Democracy? The "People" are certainly educated enough now to not need representatives to control us or our votes.

Its called MK Ultra and infiltration take over. America lost the Galactic War before it even began. You can thank the NAZI's.

A popular vote democracy would be a disaster of epic proportions. That is why the do not exist.

While many may not like the powers that government have and the corruption within, we must have a government in which we elect people to represent our best interests on a state/national level through popular vote.

What you speak of would work for local government infrastructure, such as a township...etc, voting on simple local matters, but the US is a bit more complicated.

We can change how we elect people, but I believe the Republic as it was designed is the best route.

originally posted by: MrSpad
A popular vote democracy would be a disaster of epic proportions. That is why the do not exist.

Why do you think it would be a disaster to at least not have a delegate system where all the people decide who is to be President? Al Gore would have been President instead of George W. Would that have kept us out of Iraq?

a reply to: MrSpad

yeah giving power back to the people, thats obsurd.

originally posted by: MrSpad
A popular vote democracy would be a disaster of epic proportions. That is why the do not exist.

Not if all countries were popular vote democracies with open borders.

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: MrSpad

yeah giving power back to the people, thats obsurd.

We already have the power.
We just don't know what to do with it...

Well myself and a few others do, but the rest of you are too hopelessly brainwashed to get on board.

the colorado rules were in place for a year. trump just got beat

a reply to: MrSpad

A popular vote democracy would be a disaster of epic proportions. That is why the do not exist.

Yeah. Just look at Desasterland:

“Politicians are afraid of the People”

Despite the unsuccessful vote in Parliament, “The debate was good for the idea and the movement for Basic Income,” wrote basic income campaigner Che Wagner in a column for the Swiss newspaper .

SWITZERLAND: Parliament rejects basic income initiative, but poll shows popular support

Not the sort of desaster you had in mind, is it?

a reply to: Xeven

Well I have heard Obama go on about spreading democracy to the world but the USA is a republic not a democracy and that is a big difference. As a republic the individuals rights cannot be ignored and their wishes are paramount regardless what the majority wish. In a democracy if 51% decide something you have to go a long with it. You can see why they they want you to think you are a democracy because if you realise what a republic is then you would know you hold all the rights and the state none.

a reply to: Xeven

The "People" are certainly educated enough now to not need representatives to control us or our votes.

I beg to differ. The fact that Trump and Clinton are the front-runners and the fact that they both have huge support behind them pretty much confirms that the people aren't very educated.

We fall for the same crap election cycle after election cycle. If we were educated then we wouldn't be supporting any politicians because they have shown over and over that they are liars and charlatans.

a reply to: Xeven

Just to be clear, you're calling for a popular vote to elect the US President, right? Otherwise, it can be interpreted that you mean a popular vote for every government decision (a "popular vote democracy"). I support the first interpretation, but not the 2nd one.

Mmmmmm well.... if they hadn't taken the pledge of allegiance out of our schools perhaps our children would know that, and thus adults. I don't think the United States has been in more jeopardy than in our current generation.

a reply to: Plotus

every generation says that about the one coming after them....

and the music is too loud and the styles are weird

a reply to: Xeven
I went to school in the 70's. I was taught America was a republic. Maybe some schools were different in that decade.

originally posted by: DOCHOLIDAZE1
a reply to: MrSpad

yeah giving power back to the people, thats obsurd.

That would be "absurd", and if you're an American, you have the freedoms and power you do have because we are NOT a democracy. A democracy does not give the people the power. It takes away individual rights in favor of the group.

a reply to: Xeven

Remember that line in history class? "Our system isn't perfect, but it's the best system out there." Not. We need to stop thinking everything we do is better. We don't have all the answers and we need to address those problems honestly and give the people more power and say in their government. We can't ever better ourselves, if we continue to think were the best at everything.

Remember how our government and the media warned us that the Soviet Union wanted to spread communism? Are we not doing the same thing around the world and in the Middle East? We've stuck our nose where it doesn't belong and that's why we're constantly in military conflicts and subject to terrorism. We're trying to force our ideology on countries with a totally different culture. We've supported dictators and rebels that have questionable ties with terrorists. We've also covertly for our own selfish interests, have influenced elections in other countries.

originally posted by: Xeven
Why do you think it would be a disaster to at least not have a delegate system where all the people decide who is to be President? Al Gore would have been President instead of George W. Would that have kept us out of Iraq?

This is brought up all the time, and it's always the same points going around in circles.

Basically, if you have a popular vote it shifts all of the importance from a handful of swing states to an even fewer number of cities. The top few largest cities in the US contain most of the population and it would give them the voting power to push the country purely in their interests to the detriment of everyone else. With the current system, while not perfect we get a healthy mix of both urban and rural areas being important.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Xeven

Just to be clear, you're calling for a popular vote to elect the US President, right? Otherwise, it can be interpreted that you mean a popular vote for every government decision (a "popular vote democracy"). I support the first interpretation, but not the 2nd one.

Yes for political office. Not to vote on legislation etc...