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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
I understand full well. The party did what it decided to do well within it's right to do so. Trump knew, or so he should have, what the rules of the game were and he has no reason to cry when he got out-played by a campaign that knew what the hell they were doing.
If him and his supporters didn't like the rules of the game, and wanted their individual votes to count, why did he decide to run with a party that has such rules?
It seems that many people, such as yourself, cannot stomach the fact that you got schooled by a better campaign and Trump dropped the ball in epic style.
originally posted by: Edumakated
It shows the system is rigged. They put all these archaic rules and processes in place to protect themselves from challenges. It is like this all the way down to the local level. This is why congressmen and senators remain unchallenged for decades.
The average joe who does not live and breathe politics and kisses the ring finger of whoever controls the electorate process stands no chance.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Edumakated
It shows the system is rigged. They put all these archaic rules and processes in place to protect themselves from challenges. It is like this all the way down to the local level. This is why congressmen and senators remain unchallenged for decades.
The average joe who does not live and breathe politics and kisses the ring finger of whoever controls the electorate process stands no chance.
it has been this way for years! Why are people complaining now?
Why aren't they pissed that their candidate didn't know how to play the game he willfully joined?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
Do you not understand that the party did what it wanted based on their own rules? If people wanted their vote to count, why vote in a primary for a party with such rules?
Can you not understand that simple argument?
Your OP was about the +22% delegate allocation for Trump vs his vote percentage. I already gave you the reason above as to why that is an invalid comparison to what happened in Colorado.
The anger is about the fact the people did not get to vote. The complaint by Trumps campaign is therefore a direct challenge to the way the rules are set up. Whether he knew about them or simply messed up (which is highly probable) is not the tenet of what the campaign is complaining about. I think that is pretty easy to understand. It's more fundamental than reading a rule book.
Do you think it is right that people's votes do not count in a party nomination? That requires a simple yes or no answer.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
Your OP was about the +22% delegate allocation for Trump vs his vote percentage. I already gave you the reason above as to why that is an invalid comparison to what happened in Colorado.
Ok. I believe your reason was inadequate and misses the point.
At the most basic level on this issue, people are complaining and disgruntled about the party process, yet he is benefiting from the party process. I can't make it any simpler and if you wish to continue to obfuscate to satisfy your infatuation with Trump, I can step aside and find better things to do with my time.
I don;t get in the middle on bro-mances.
The anger is about the fact the people did not get to vote. The complaint by Trumps campaign is therefore a direct challenge to the way the rules are set up. Whether he knew about them or simply messed up (which is highly probable) is not the tenet of what the campaign is complaining about. I think that is pretty easy to understand. It's more fundamental than reading a rule book.
If you don't like the rules, you may want to address that before you enter the game.
Common sense, is it not?
Do you think it is right that people's votes do not count in a party nomination? That requires a simple yes or no answer.
First off, you do not get to set the rules on how we converse. I will answer in any way I so desire.
Second, I don't care, nor do I feel sorry, for those that willfully participate in a party in which they vote is so easily discarded in certain circumstances.
That's what they get for being part of a corrupt party.
It was a simple question - I understand why you won't answer it directly. It undermines your entire position and gets to the point of the anger. Something you are clearly keen to avoid.
I am sorry you do not have the capacity to understand the difference between a winner takes all state and not allowing people to vote.
I think it's very clear, but I get why you feel backed into a corner.
The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate who wins the caucus vote.
The move makes Colorado the only state so far to forfeit a role in the early nomination process, according to political experts, but other caucus states are still considering how to adapt to the new rule.
"It takes Colorado completely off the map" in the primary season, said Ryan Call, a former state GOP chairman.
Republicans still will hold precinct caucus meetings in early 2016 to begin the process of selecting delegates for the national convention — but the 37 delegates are not pledged to any specific candidate.
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
It was a simple question - I understand why you won't answer it directly. It undermines your entire position and gets to the point of the anger. Something you are clearly keen to avoid.
Yes, I think the votes of the people should matter in the nomination process. That in no way undermines my position. In fact, it strengthens it because I practice what I preach. I know the rules of the nomination process for the parties in my state and I don't participate if I don't like the rules.
See how simple that is? Being educated on such things ensures that I have nothing to whine and complain about after the fact.
Apparently, Trump and his supporters were not educated enough or prepared enough to live with the outcome of a game they should have known the rules of.
I am sorry you do not have the capacity to understand the difference between a winner takes all state and not allowing people to vote.
I understand the difference. What some people don't seem to grasp is that if you don't like your vote not counting, don't participate in a nomination process in which the vote is irrelevant. If they do participate, don't bitch and complain.
They should have known what they were getting in to.
I think it's very clear, but I get why you feel backed into a corner.
Why do you resort to comments like these? If you can't stand on your arguments and have to say such teenage-like things, perhaps you should revisit your argument.
originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: UKTruth
If you don't like the party's rules, work to change them before the fact, or find another party. Crying about it later seems a bit ridiculous.
I think being educated and making a decision to vote or not vote is quite a weak position to take.
Trump's approach is more courageous in speaking out so that more Americans can see the issue and hopefully at some point force change. If everyone just accepted rules and went home if they didn't suit, hardly any progress would ever be made.
Thanks heavens for men like Trump.
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth
I think being educated and making a decision to vote or not vote is quite a weak position to take.
That is at the heart of the political process. We have to educate ourselves on politicians and policies to make an informed decision. I cannot help you if you think being educated is "weak".
Trump's approach is more courageous in speaking out so that more Americans can see the issue and hopefully at some point force change. If everyone just accepted rules and went home if they didn't suit, hardly any progress would ever be made.
Thanks heavens for men like Trump.
Yes, thank heavens for men who are uneducated about the process and whine like a sissy when they are outplayed.
In my view, that is not a man at all.