This is what happens when you have marxist socialist central planning.

Clearly everything is Americas fault.

originally posted by: Lysergic
Clearly everything is Americas fault.

No, but some of it is.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: gator2001

So thy are thriving in the local economy?

What do you mean by lots of money, who?

How can there be lots of money and people willing to work in slave factories like Foxxcon at the same time?

That tells two different stories.

Have you been there or just saying what you see in media?

Calling it slave factory is a not correct. They are not required to work there. They have freedom to choose what job they do. Additionally, that is a labor issue between workers and the management of the company. Foxxcon, by the way, is a Taiwanese, not Chinese owned company and those two countries don't get along very well. Workers who were Chinese claimed discriminatory practices by the Taiwanese management.

China sent poisoned chopsticks to Taiwan, too. They don't get along.

Are there labor disputes in the U.S.?

I would say that the local economy does just fine. Streets are lined with personal businesses and chain businesses. In cities, sectors are broken down into categories. One area is industrial, one is textiles, clothing, etc. If you want hardware supplies, you go to one area and many hardware stores are there, for instance. You walk down the street and see all kinds of personal businesses where they make their products right there. I lived in one city that wss world famous for their pottery.

When you buy a towel at a store that was made in China. I would walk to one of the places making them and buy them much cheaper. Same with clothes.

Same here where I live in the Philippines. You buy a can of Dole pineapple...I buy a fresh one from the Dole plantation here. I must say that a grilled fresh Tuna is splendid, too.

We have all seen the pictures of the giant mall that is empty there. That is an isolated incident, so don't think lots of malls are empty. They actually are huge and packed. There will be one mall, then go a block away and there is another. That is how they do it in Asia, well at least where I have been..

Here in the Philippines city I live in it is the same way. There are four big malls all within walking distance of each other. They are all packed.

Here is a pic I took of a mall in Shenyang. This mall has 8 stories, PLUS 2 additional stories underground. This mall has an ice skating rink, basketball court, badminton, movies theater, in addition to everything else you would expect at a mall. It is also attached to another mall with 3 levels. I literally got lost 2 times trying to get out the way I went in.



How do I know there is lots of money there? I saw the extremely numerous construction sites going on, building luxury apartments, etc. I saw all of the many expensive cars being driven around. I saw the many nice restaurants that were not cheap. Btw...if you eat Chinese in the U.S., it is not Chinese food, but rather American.

What I didn't see was homeless people. There might be some, but I didnt see them in my 2.5 years there living in two different cities. Seeing beggars was rare on the street. Most of the beggars I saw were disabled people that hung around the temples.

The culture there is different. It is much more geared towards family, which might explain some about why I didn't see homeless people.The whole family works together, not get out of the house when you are 18. There is no bad stigma attached to a person living with their parents.

I didn't say everyone was rich, but I saw lots of people with lots of money.

Two stories? No, you can't point to a labor dispute at one foreign owned company in China and say that is the story for all of China.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
a reply to: onequestion

Yeah the Foxxcon factories with bars on the windows and suicide nets?

I looked up the "suicide nets" at Foxxcon and they sure look a lot like the safety wire nets that were on my apartment building (16th floor) and on a lot, if not most modern high rise buildings with windows that can be opened. Also metal bars in front to prevent crashing through the window. I sure liked having them when my 3 year old son was staying with me.

In one word to describe this in China...common.

Also, almost every house you see in China has a wall around it and some have metal bars on the windows.

Same here in the Phillipines. One thing they like to do is cement broken glass on top of the walls to discourage climbing over it.

Here are pics of my apartment in China next to the big SM mall. It was in Jinjiang, just outside of Quanzhou.





Doesn't the Empire State building have a jumper prevention system?

a reply to: alldaylong


I saw this post and had to jump in.

Partly because I am going back to college and learning things so I enjoy expanding my knowledge base, partly because I (at times) stumble across random insights, and partly because Detroit is my city and I have a huge chip on my shoulder about her.

Detroit suffers from Democrat (the closest we come to a main line Communist Party) ideas in action. When the Dems took over and began making broad changes the people that would be effected the most (money) simply left the city and moved into the surrounding suburbs. Detroit began it's decline but was solidly in Democrat hands so continued to enforce their policy which led to bankruptcy.

The people that could leave Detroit moved into surrounding suburbs and made them prosperous (for a time). The more money they had, the farther they moved. Later as Detroit collapsed the same people that voted for the Democrats moved into the nearby neighborhoods (in number) and continued to vote Democrat. This soon led to the collapse of Rouge, Melvindale, and Ecorse.

As those cities collapsed the citizens left and again moved to the nearby neighborhoods. Today you have the imminent collapse of Lincoln Park, Wyandotte, Allen Park, and Taylor. The voting habits never changes regardless of what those voting habits bring to the people.

I witnessed it first hand. I walk or drive by the blight every day. My GF worries every time I go out the door, but it's my home town. I vote Republican but one drop won't count in the sea.

The same could be said on a larger scale with what happened in California/Colorado (I am led to believe). The limo liberals of cali voted for changes and when they got them they left for Colorado and soon began voting for them there too.

I suppose the TL;DR is when someone like Bernie does finally get his way in America the money is just going to go somewhere else. The left is so fast to say we are "global" now. They should realize what all that entails.

I hope none of this is taken personally as I am sure replies will educate me in some form or fashion.

a reply to: daskakik



link is weird so: www.youtube.com...

Thats is one of the best zone of the capital, if you eat soap its all good I guess



People have to wait from 4am for supermarkets to open, food last a few minutes after the supermarket opens

best supermarket on closest city to my home



articles regulated:

www.superintendenciadepreciosjustos.gob.ve.../alimentos

Just all grains, all meats, sugar, coffee, fertilizers, seeds, water, oil, eggs, pasta... what exactly do you eat that is not regulated?

nice video you got there from 2014 by the way

www.youtube.com...

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a year ago , things could only got better right?... right?

wanna buy something?



fingerprints control


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roof of jail in venezuela

The issue as I see it, is we have a black man apparently professing himself to be Muslim expounding on the glories of socialism.

Rape is up 1400 hundeed % in Sweden since the islamic invasion
Cuba claims they have no political prisoners
Cubans can't get out of there fast enough, see Miami
USSR killed over 40 milloon under Stalin and Lenon
China killed over 40 million under Mao
No one knows how many starved in North Korea but escaped political prisoners claim cannabalism is rampant
Islam is a peaceful religion if you don' t count count womens rights, gay rights, religious rights etc
Louis Farakan and the Nation of Islam is still waiting on the ufo mothership
Black Lives Matter is funded by George Soros to cause caos
the list goes on and on.
This man is an idealog, reputes truth when faced with it, is brainwashed by the socialist educational system, and uses wikipedia for a source.
This is what is happening to our country. WE NEED TO WAKE UP!

a reply to: reluctantpawn


I think "idealog" best sums up that post.

Take off the obvious blinders and approach the hate slowly. The world isn't that bad, brother.

I don't think President Obama is a Muslim, but I think he would join the club if they let him.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

And this is what happens when you live in a Capitalist Society.

You see a big difference between everyone being equally miserable and a society that gives everyone the opportunity but where a small minority of people still fail.

New member here. Glad to finally join this one community i feel connected to. Anyways, to my understanding marxism is seperated from socialism. Communist manifesto states that economy is ruled completely by a central government. Socialism is defined as the economy being controlled by the workers. Im no economic/political expert so i may be wrong.

a reply to: ketsuko

For one thing, if the government of China is the corporation, that is what communism is. The state owns the corporations. What you described isn't capitalism. Moving on, Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton are not communists. Hillary Clinton is a Democrat and Bernie Sanders supports Democratic Socialism. Socialism is using taxpayer money to provide services for the people in a nation, such as public schools, roads, police departments and even the military. Democratic Socialism is pushing for more of these changes through the democratic process. Communism is where the state owns the corporations.

There are plenty of socialist countries that are doing very well. The United States even has a lot of socialist programs. Looking at a country like Venezuela, you have to ask, was socialism the reason the country got so bad off or was it something else? Did they take socialism to the extreme? Is the government corrupt? These are basic questions one should ask themselves if they are thinking critically.

Because I am interested, I think I will spend some time today researching the topic.

a reply to: Indigent

I'd already seen videos like that. The shelves are not completely empty. It reminds me of pictures of supermarkets in the US when trouble is announced and everyone rushes the supermarket for say, water and canned goods, and the shelves for those products are bare while the other shelves are full.

That supermarket has been all but abondoned. Here are pics www.maduradas.com....

That doesn't mean that other places are not better stocked. Did you see the link I posted to the article? Seems like trucks pull up to neighborhoods and sell out of the back of the trucks. That would lead to empty shelves despite goods getting to the people.

Plenty of well fed people waiting in line in the second vid. Looks like a pain to have to go through but I would not even compare it to lines formed outside of a soup kitchen in the US during the depression. Oh wait the US had things like this also happen so what's with the red scare?

a reply to: reluctantpawn

Are you talking about me?

Socialism and communism aren't the same. Social Security and Medicare are socialist programs, though I'm hoping you already know that. I've already commented twice now in this very thread that I'm not defending communism. Though I also have no problem pointing out the double standards of those who demonize its atrocities while ignoring the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism and imperialism. War is war and deaths are deaths. Belgium killed more than 10 million people in the name of capitalist imperialism in the DR Congo and nobody bats an eye about it.

Also, I'm glad people are calling out the rape stats because rape is horrific. Though rape is a global atrocity, and it isn't limited to any one demographic. For example, 1 in 6 American women has been or will be raped. You going to blame that on refugees too, or on the people in their own demographics who are doing it? And for the record, not only is Islam against rape, but it's against all forms of sex outside of marriage. So if a self proclaimed Muslim rapes someone, he's doing it in spite of Islam, not because of it (just like if a self proclaimed Christian rapes someone).

And regardless of what people here think, the Qur'an gives women more rights than any of the other major religions. It's the only one that guarantees all women the right to divorce; get an inheritance; and get financial assistance from the ex-husband until she remarries (like alimony). Female Muslims have the same religious obligations as male Muslims, such as praying daily, giving to charity, going on Hajj, fasting during Ramadan, and believing in God and His Works. And they will be equally responsible for their deeds and misdeeds on the Day of Judgment, too.

And though women are told to cover their hair and cleavage out of modesty (just like Amish women and Catholic nuns), women are also allowed to wear gold, exotic fabrics, and fancy accessories (which men are forbidden from doing). There's nothing in the Qur'an that forbids women from getting jobs, hence the 3 most populous Muslim countries have already had female Heads of State. And ironically, even female genital mutilation is a pro-"equality" issue since it is literally "female circumcision". The communities that do it believe that circumcision is necessary in order to be accepted as an adult in the Ummah, so they make females do it too out of equal obligations. Though even more ironically, circumcision isn't even mentioned once in the Qur'an, not even for males.

Oh yeah, and sometimes I use wikipedia as a source because I don't expect casual readers to go read books about the subjects we're talking about. Though I did use an article from Harvard's website to point out the drastic drop in Venezuela's extreme poverty in my 1st post (the "Poverty Reduction in Venezuela" link here). Is that a good enough source for you or are you going to complain about that too?

a reply to: enlightenedservant
Every system has its positives and negatives.

Capitalism has innovation(because of competition and need),diversity of products/services and mass production(supply and demand). Problem is Capitalism is inherently predatory,hyper-competitive and exploitative.
When business gets in control of government legislation and executive power it gets extremely dangerous.
You get fascism.

Socialism has shared social well being with shared cost. Problem is usually government plays the referee(there is no real competition and the government picks winners and losers) and that is dangerous.
The government with force ensures that the worker owns the means of production. Centralized power is not to be trusted especially in who can own what.

I am not going to argue with you about how dangerous collectivism is. If you believe collectivism is good then your free to believe that.

Social Security and Medicare are the most expensive US government social programs in existence.

a reply to: enlightenedservant


Reeducation, internment, and genocide are socialist programs as well. We forget about those.

Youth camps and family walks were Nazi programs. Not that I espouse going with that particular political ideology. Just saying.


Sunshine and rainbows, Comrade. Free unicorns for all!

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Centralized power is not to be trusted especially in who can own what.

But that really isn't the case in venezuela. Seems to me that they tried to control the cost of staple items and this caused the scarcity.

Producers don't want to make and sell these products because the ROI isn't worth it. Maybe stores don't stock them for the same reason. This would mean that it is a market reaction to regulation. That is freedom.

originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Centralized power is not to be trusted especially in who can own what.

But that really isn't the case in venezuela. Seems to me that they tried to control the cost of staple items and this caused the scarcity.

Producers don't want to make and sell these products because the ROI isn't worth it. Maybe stores don't stock them for the same reason. This would mean that it is a market reaction to regulation. That is freedom.

Yeah they need to not "try" anything.

They should have just left it alone.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
Yeah they need to not "try" anything.

They should have just left it alone.

True but the thing is that it really isn't a question of failed centralization. It isn't even about socialism. There are private companies that stock private supermarkets.

So it is obviously a failed social program but it might be exaggerated for political reasons.

Do people just forget that the Socialists came to power in Venezuela because it was a poverty ridden hellhole. It still is but, slightly less so than it was. Corrupt capitalist regimes have historically been what lead to socialist or communist take overs. Some places are just poor and it simply does not matter what economic plan to toss at them just as some places are rich. It seems the most successful nations mix capitalism and socialism. Places like the US, China, Japan and Europe etc.

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: enlightenedservant


Reeducation, internment, and genocide are socialist programs as well. We forget about those.

Youth camps and family walks were Nazi programs. Not that I espouse going with that particular political ideology. Just saying.


Sunshine and rainbows, Comrade. Free unicorns for all!

How is genocide a socialist program? That doesn't even make sense. And what does reeducation have to do with socialism? Virtually every society on Earth has some form of rehabilitation programs/services, including capitalist havens like Japan. And they also have some form of internment system (like jails, juvenile detention centers, immigration detention centers, etc).

The whole point in socialism is to spread the wealth of a region or industry among the members of that region. It's bad that I honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not with the rhetoric in your response.