`WALK OF SHAME' - Obese flyer booted from flight in US

a reply to: Aazadan

The overwhelming majority of fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too little.
Do you deny that?

a reply to: grainofsand

Except humans are not cargo. We are not a quantity of "175kg of human". We are a quantity of "1 human".

It just doesn't work.

Sometimes people will pay for the same hamburger and end up with .3 oz more meat. Are you wanting a refund of the difference?

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Aazadan

The overwhelming majority of fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too little.
Do you deny that?

I do. Genetics is far more relevant than people's ability to make choices. Do you deny that you're discriminating against people that AREN'T by treating them the SAME as people that do?

Do you know what a thyroid condition is or are you ignorant?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Meh, again, first world problem perspective.
Airline seats are okay as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not fat.
Unlucky fat people, start a Fat Airline's company, see if there is the market for it, while the rest of us pay cheap prices in our smaller seats.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Aazadan

The overwhelming majority of fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too little.
Do you deny that?

Yes.

Mostly because I have a solid understanding of how nutrition effects people, and what happens with food once you eat it.

Humans are not machines, carbon cut in a factory. We are unique and individual. One good example: perhaps your genetic background comes from an area where wheat has been in use for a long time, and your body is prepared to recieve those carbohydrates and process them efficiently into energy. BUt maybe that big fat tub of lard sitting next to/on top of you on the plane comes from a genetic history where wheat was not really cultivated, and a hunter gatherer lifestyle persisted until relatively recently. His body is not able to recieve carbohydrates and process them as energy efficiently. So it ends up being stored as body fat.

A good example of this: a dog. Dogs who are fed copious amounts of protein and fat can eat as much as they want and never gain weight. Dog who are fed table scraps high in carbs end up fat and diabetic. If you are genetically predisposed to living on more protein and fat, carbs are horrible for you.

So yes, i disagree with your premise. Cuz science.

originally posted by: imjack

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: Aazadan

The overwhelming majority of fat people are fat because they eat too much and do too little.
Do you deny that?

I do. Genetics is far more relevant than people's ability to make choices. Do you deny that you're discriminating against people that AREN'T by treating them the SAME as people that do?

That's strange, where are the fat people in sustained famine conditions?
Regardless of metabolism when people eat less than they burn they lose body fat reserves.

...oh, and strange how there are no 'big boned' people to be found in sustained famine conditions, all equally skeleton like.

Carry on breaking your heart for all these 'victims' who eat more energy than they burn.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Meh, again, first world problem perspective.
Airline seats are okay as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not fat.
Unlucky fat people, start a Fat Airline's company, see if there is the market for it, while the rest of us pay cheap prices in our smaller seats.

Or instead, fat people will engage the legal system and legislate that you have to recognize them as humans with the same rights as any other protected class.

Then all businesses will have to spend millions isntalling special fat accessible equipment, passing on those costs to you.

Or, you could just be respectful to them now so they don't have to demand it be legislated upon you.

Ya know....thats kinda the thing: most laws result from common sense and common courtesy being legislated on a population who just won't seem to do those things on their own. And once government gets involved, it is always worse. You'd be better off trying to figure out a way around the fat prejudice on your own.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Rubbish.
Less intake than burned and your body will draw on it's reserves of fat.
Cuz, you know, science.

a reply to: gator2001
You subway groper lol!!! Although im sure she prolly actually enjoyed being pushed up against ya even though she prolly would deny it.

As to the People here saying all fat people are lazy and deserve ridicule..everyone has something you can be picked on for. remember that next time you get picked on and shrug it off like you expect fat people to do.

A persons a person and as such is not perfect. Some here seem to be jealous of fat people getting cheaper rates than they are. how bout dont pack so much luggage?

Some who are overweight try to not eat or do anything except get by but their bodies wont co operate. Some have no choice in what they have to eat because they cant afford to eat better as well.

Sham on all of you who just dismiss all overweight people as ir responsible and lazy.

originally posted by: imjack
My comment is:
1. A second seat is obviously the solution
2. It should be free, your ticket is not for 'space' it's attendance, people switch seats all the time and I've personally been moved to First Class free of charge
3. The airlines have NO PROBLEM 'overselling' and "your seat" that "you paid for" is easily as likely to be sold to two people. You are guaranteed nothing. I can't even begin to describe how stupid this is if you're a person that needs two seats.
4. The airline chose to discriminate against this man because he is fat, and so to profit his attendance was denied over smaller people that can fit into two seats.
5. Was his seat unused through the flight? If yes the airline lost money and defies their own logic of not allowing the 'uncomfortable' passenger flight to be free, and if the answer is NO its unacceptable discrimination based solely on profit.
6. Size must be included at the point of purchase for UA not not get off the hook IMO. Nothing is spelled out. 175lbs is a meaningless description. It just states "if you can fit" and I'll bet the farm he was able to sit down. If you cannot fit into the row is one thing, the extent that you 'fit' is another.
7. EVERY ONE OF THESE is assuming the flight was completely FULL. If not, F### American Airlines for not being able to ask 2 people to move for 1.


Ps. I weigh 111 pounds and am rather small and would be happy to have reduced flight cost if me being small is an aide to those being big. Just like the passenger who 'complained' I'm sure had no intention of EJECTING the fat man from the flight to save a quick buck, in short it was his wallet, not himself that was 'uncomfortable'. I'd put my own weight on the ticket alone for free if it just meant this didn't happen as often.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: imjack
175lbs is a meaningless description.

The person in the Original Post was not 175lbs, he was 175kg which is 385lbs.

Opps my mistake, seeing as I classified that as a meaningless description, care to elaborate if you can fit into the row and sit down at 385? I'm still guessing you can.

It was also my mistake quoting my whole post that made more than a single point and isn't discredited by the calculation error.

originally posted by: imjack
Opps my mistake, seeing as I classified that as a meaningless description, care to elaborate if you can fit into the row and sit down at 385? I'm still guessing you can.

No, you cannot fit in a standard airline seat without spilling into adjacent seats if you are close to 400lbs.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Rubbish.
Less intake than burned and your body will draw on it's reserves of fat.
Cuz, you know, science.

Well....

If you understand how sugar impacts insulin response, and what that does to hunger....it actually become much more clear that the problem is the "one size fits all" dietary suggestions of the medical and political apparatus.

Unless you really think fat people like being fat.

a reply to: grainofsand

You've obviously never heard of water weight in famine countries that give the impression some are fat. The Right thought it was hilarious posting pictures of starving 'fat' Africans.

You're obviously oblivious to science as a thyroid condition would cause death without medication and only with medication do you survive, but it makes you fat.

Your ignorance on the subject of how many medical conditions change your weight and appearance is the only thing that IS fat.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Okay. Thank you for clarifying my non-arguement I addressed as a non-arguement twice when I was even wrong.

a reply to: imjack

No need to be sarcastic chief, you asked a question, I answered it.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Rubbish.
Less intake than burned and your body will draw on it's reserves of fat.
Cuz, you know, science.

Well....

If you understand how sugar impacts insulin response, and what that does to hunger....it actually become much more clear that the problem is the "one size fits all" dietary suggestions of the medical and political apparatus.

Unless you really think fat people like being fat.

The hunger issue is a different kettle of fish.
I'm telling you that if a human being has a calorific intake higher than needed to power the work of the body then it will store the rest as fat. A human being with a calorific intake lower than needed to power the body then it will draw on stored resources.

I refer you back to my sustained famine conditions with no fat people or skeletal bodies which appear 'big-boned'.
The perception of hunger is a separate argument, my original points continue to stand.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Rubbish.
Less intake than burned and your body will draw on it's reserves of fat.
Cuz, you know, science.

Not always the case. Some wont coem off at all.

a reply to: imjack

Nope, you just seem butt hurt so I guess you are one of those miracles of science in the western world who are fat because they eat less energy than they burn?
It must be the work of Satanic magic lol

So....how did this guy get to Vegas? Did he just roll in on his own, then get lazy (like fat people are prone to do) and decide he couldn't roll back out of town, and bought a plane ticket?

If he was there to celebrate his birthday, i presume he flew in. Did he buy 2 plane tickets when he flew in? If not, why? Why would there be a sudden policy change?

I suspect that when the ticket was purchased, there was not verbage that would amount to a "fat clause"? If so, why would it be ignored on his flight INTO Vegas, not not out? What changed during his stay in Vegas that voided his prior ticket agreement and replaced it with one where him being fat gets him ejected from the flight?

Does anyone see any way for UA to not pay him a settlement for this?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The question was could he fit into the row as the basis, you answered it indeed.