Finally some good news for humanity.

And it's things like this that make me fight against the short sighted folks who want to replace capitalism with socialism.

originally posted by: UmbraSumus

originally posted by: Alphaz

However it does make me wonder, why is he so anxious to colonize mars by 2025?

Answer:

Elon Musk
Born: June 28, 1971

None of us are getting any younger

He's 5 months older than me! LOL

Hurry up Elon, I wanna go to Mars too!!

Seriously, I was cheering louder than I did at any sporting event I can think of. This is simply amazing, and SpaceX is the future of Space travel.

This truly is like the Model T of rockets if he gets the costs down significantly through reuse.

A game changer.

originally posted by: TheBulk
And it's things like this that make me fight against the short sighted folks who want to replace capitalism with socialism.

Yep.

Simply would have never happened in a Socialist society.

Who would have the money?

Ah, this does indeed instill some hope!

If our world were a strategy game simulating technological evolution over time, one of the "great projects" depicted in a cut scene when a civilization achieves something that will have lasting bonus effects would have to include this moment imo. The implications for space exploration and the financial realities thereof are enormous.

Peace.

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: luthier



As I said on another thread, this is the kind of advancement that happens in a capitalistic society.

We don't need a capitalist society to accomplish things like this. Elon Musk exists. The materials used to create the computers and rocket components exists. The drive to build things exists. If anything capitalism is slowing us down. What we should do is take Bill gates, Elon musk, Steven Hawking and all the other geniuses in the world and give them (and the engineers and other experts.) unlimited resource access.

Not trying to be "the one" who spoils the party..but this technology, carrying thousands od gallons of pressurized propellant which is ignited for thrust, is ancient technology......even NASA is nearing admitting that explosive propulsion is the way of the past. This money saving technique (that's all this is) will be surpassed by soon to be released lift technology that totally eradicates the need for explosive propulsion.......

originally posted by: KeithCooper
Not trying to be "the one" who spoils the party..but this technology, carrying thousands od gallons of pressurized propellant which is ignited for thrust, is ancient technology......even NASA is nearing admitting that explosive propulsion is the way of the past. This money saving technique (that's all this is) will be surpassed by soon to be released lift technology that totally eradicates the need for explosive propulsion.......

Not that caries heavy payloads out of our gravity. Not anytime soon.

By the end of the year space x is hoping to be able to send a ship every other week.

Not to mention the software and technology that was created for the whole production.

a reply to: luthier

Hold on a second. On the surface this seems like an amazing accomplishment. Once you start digging into the details you realize that this is indeed just another fake NASA operation to keep people thinking that the earth is a globe, as opposed to flat.

All joking aside, this is pretty incredible. Imagine how much money would be available for the advancement of the human race if we stopped building bombs and started building spacecraft.

a reply to: luthier

No doubt Elon Musk is a great guy

But it is too late

We are on brink of world war brought to you by US federal reserve and military

a reply to: proximo

if it was upto me ad put the aristocracy, the capitalist, the 1%, on an island and then ad sink it, without a shred of guilt, i would be proud. you ever heard of memory palaces, a memory technique that all the memory masters and chess grandmasters use, would never get taught in schools for the sole reason that if we are to smart we wont want to work in a dead end job, the industrial machine would grind to a halt. we would be getting an intergalactic bus to mars right now, if it wasnt for greedy capitalists.

originally posted by: TheBulk
And it's things like this that make me fight against the short sighted folks who want to replace capitalism with socialism.

The socialist USSR achieved some incredible technological things in its day.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep

...(let's) give them (and the engineers and other experts.) unlimited resource access.

Oh yeah. Oligarchs unite. Why not to call it Umbrella?
Be careful what you wish for)
Nice landing and joy but wouldn't they get a better success rate with some kind of net?


wait, I was almost too negative. It was cool enough.

originally posted by: proximo
a reply to: luthier
As I said on another thread, this is the kind of advancement that happens in a capitalistic society.

I'm sure that if you were a Catholic, you'd say that this was the kind of advancement that happens in a Catholic society

Anyway: it is nonsense: there is quite little difference between your "capitalist" society and say a more "socialist" society in this regard. Both have some group or person in charge that runs the show and both steal money from the people. In one type of society it is called "taxes", in the other it is called "a healthy margin".

What is necessary to achieve results, in all types of societies, is focus. Somebody needs to be in charge (we, poor worker drones, can't really think for ourselves, it seems) and needs to set a goal, and of course needs to be in charge of sufficiently big amounts of cash. In this case it's Musk, but it could just as well have been the North Korean Government, as long as they have sufficient resources and focus.

We even have historical proof: during the Cold War the then hardly capitalistic Russians beat the Americans time after time: the Russian government was in command and they had quite a lot of power. Only when the American GOVERNMENT - that despicable bunch of socialist meddlers you have over there, that constantly interfere with the free market - took over control and coordinated the space race efforts, pumping in millions of dollars of tax payers money, only THEN did the Americans started to catch up. It was Kennedy that led the way, like Musk does now.

I'm in favour of efforts like these, don't get me wrong. But don't drag your favourite societal model into it - it has nothing to do with the greatness of such achievements. Some may even disagree with us on that "greatness" and might point out that if Musk had used the same amount of money to improve the health of the American people he would have installed a free health service instead. And perhaps they are right.

For now, let's enjoy, as it is indeed a great sight for space-race-deprived sore eyes like mine

capitalists unite....he he

totaly awesome display od free enterprise eh?

a reply to: luthier

That is awesome

a reply to: GBP/JPY
While I don't disagree I seriously doubt you were touting the moon landing as huge stride for government programs.

Let's just say this is a great step for mankind and Elon Musk is a visionary risk taker. Thank the stars someone cares enough to put it all on the line.

a reply to: luthier

Elon is someone I have been following for a while.....Tesla was so far beyond anyone that finally it took these 2 brothers to understand some of his language. Does give a little bit of hope that there is a true IronMan out there....kuddos to all of them for pushing for the beyond!

It's really a great achievement that spacex made ,so awesome to see it land on that platform.

I really hope to see the dragon land on itself in the future, and not to forget, see the BFR go up for the first time..Then Mars wil be much closer.

I really like to see how the BFR handles stage one returns?

The only way we can advance ourself as the human race is to conquer our solar system. Expansion of the human race has always been it's main objective (as long we have been around). This here is part of the quiet steps leading towards the goal.

Just today, it's not a competition between to countries but a serious focus of some truly inspiring leaders that understand it.

The ability to land a rocket on a turbulent moving object, such as an aircraft carrier, floating dock, or asteroid is absolutely necessary to the future of space commerce. Rocket fuel is extremely volatile so the amount of control necessary is greater than most corporations and governments have been able to achieve in the past, leading to explosions. Preventing those unwanted explosions is why they call it rocket science with a sense of reverence. This is a wonderful step. It helps counterweight the bigger picture of risks and failures, such as this young man who was killed working with rockets.

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