Christian worker loses appeal after 'giving book to Muslim colleague'

originally posted by: ketsuko

What I keep asking is was there any feedback indicating that the message was unwelcome to the receivers?

Question that should never need to be asked.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ketsuko

I will give you that, we both don't know enough of the situation but we are both in here having at it on different sides, man the internet is some crazy stuff.

I can say that i might not like some of your opinions, but you have the will to defend it, cheers to you and yours.

Look if subjects like religion and politics come up at my place of work, it isn't because I bring them up. I know better.

But the reality here is that there isn't enough information to know for sure exactly what went on between these two ladies with their conversation. One side wants to automatically assume the Christian went a-proselytizing because that's what we all do, right? Another side is saying she was lured. I am saying there is plenty of room for miscommunication.

a reply to: mirageman

Its cool. Dont be friendly.

What a scum bag thing to do. How about just saying no thank you.

Muslims are their own worst enemy.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

You're missing my point completely but at least you can see the hypocrisy

As long as those evil Christians get what they deserve fook their free speech

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ketsuko

What I keep asking is was there any feedback indicating that the message was unwelcome to the receivers?

Question that should never need to be asked.

But again, there are many,many topics not even related to religion that can end up being offensive or microaggresive to someone these days without a person even knowing about it.

So either we continue to communicate in the normal manner by expressing our likes and dislikes rather than running to HR when someone does something that upsets us, or perhaps we ought not ever talk at all.

I remember reading an article somewhere about the inhuman working conditions in the big Amazon warehouses. One of the complaints the journalist made was the workers weren't even allowed to talk. However, I suppose if no one is ever talking this can't happen either.

a reply to: Annee

Yea because having wittiness feed back is never needed to get the whole story.

Fml

a reply to: ketsuko

Did the Muslim woman say "No, thanks. I don't talk about any of those three subjects in mixed company?"

I think a better question is, should this woman be proselytizing at work? The answer is NO. She shouldn't have been, and she certainly shouldn't have handed a Muslim woman a book she would likely find insulting at the least. HOWEVER, the Muslim woman could have easily shut things down early on, once the line had been crossed. I personally think ALL proselytizing is distasteful and tactless, but I'm not buying the harassment charges at this point. Very seldom have I had to tell a Christian twice, I don't want to hear it. Except on ATS, but that's different. Here, everyone and everything is fair game.

a reply to: ketsuko

Again, did the Muslim say, "No thanks, I am Muslim?"

Obviously the woman made it clear to the Christian lady that she was a Muslim, otherwise, the Christian lady wouldn't have given her a book about a Muslim woman that converted to Christianity. Unless the woman asked for material on the subject, offering a Muslim woman a book about a Muslim woman who converted to Christianity is proselytization.

a reply to: Tulpa

Instant suspension without pay for both parties.
Security escorts both parties off the premises.
Straight on the phone to the legal department and sue the pair of them for every penny for every single last, tiny thing they ever did, Including stealing a paperclip from the stationary cupboard.

LOL! Are you SERIOUS?

My response would be "both of you stop acting like big fat cry babies and get back to work". If you don't want to work, resignations will be accepted.

Good lord. All this BS is maddening.

a reply to: windword

So what if she handed her a book on rejecting religion is that also grounds for firing?

Damn just throw the book away if you don't like it or just read it and get a different perspective.

You cant force someone to read.

a reply to: JDmOKI

Anybody with half a brain could have handled that situation.

She offers a book. Push it back towards her and say "no thanks."

Done. But no! let's fire somebody, get in the newspapers, call legal, and show everybody our tee tees.

Idiots.

a reply to: ketsuko

If I were type My personal feelings they would lean towards-

I think this was a deliberate act by the complainant. This could've been settled the very first contact. Then to document numerous contacts then it reeks of a scheme to extract $$$. Especially if it was so offensive.

In this instance, the old adage "ignorance of the law is no excuse" doesn't hold water..

Finding: Defendant

namaste

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: JDmOKI

Anybody with half a brain could have handled that situation.

She offers a book. Push it back towards her and say "no thanks."

Was there a policy of no religion at work?

If so, then it is the responsibility of the giver - - not the receiver.

So, lets not turn this around.

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: windword

So what if she handed her a book on rejecting religion is that also grounds for firing?

It seems it is the company policy.

a reply to: angeldoll

Grown ups know how to handle these types of situations the others play the victim card.

Someone was shouting politics at me the other day at the office because I'm a undecided independent and I shut that down really fast.

Ya know he's not a bad guy we just disagree and he's passionate and I hope he keeps his job

a reply to: Gryphon66

For once i completely and totally agree with you about something

a reply to: Annee

If that's company policy I think a warning would have taken care of the situation.

I break a few rules and HR tells me and I fix it

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: JDmOKI

Anybody with half a brain could have handled that situation.

She offers a book. Push it back towards her and say "no thanks."

Was there a policy of no religion at work?

If so, then it is the responsibility of the giver - - not the receiver.

So, lets not turn this around.

Oh sorry. I was talking about grown up people who have good sense and go to their jobs to work and not squabble over petty BS like being offered a book.

"You offered me a book and I'm gonna tell on you, nanner nanner nanner."

Were there any third-party witnesses to any of this?

Or can a Christian's career now be destroyed by accusation alone? Accusation of something that wouldn't ordinarily be a big deal...

...but if it can be used to s# all over someone because of what they believe, it becomes a big deal.

originally posted by: Annee

Was there a policy of no religion at work?

If so, then I'm curious as to how the Muslim woman dressed for work.