If Bernie Sanders is president the amount in additional taxes I would pay equals a new Honda Civic

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: MystikMushroom

See, been duped enough. The calculator you want people to use comes to us all from the same type of asshats who marketed Obamacare as "affordable" and a "savings," had George HW Bush convincing America to "read his lips, no new taxes" then raised them in office, Saw Obama swear no tax increase on those making less than $250k per year before then passing the single largest middle class tax increase in history and even had the BAWLS to sell it before the SCOTUS as "a tax."

These people are lying scumbags. Sure, if I decided to join the rolls of Kept Voters, living off the baggies of sunshine people like Sanders toss their minions in exchange for their votes, it might balance out. I'm not, though, so it isn't self-loathing for me to reject the biased and "only valid until he reaches the White House" Sanders' provided calculator as being exactly what it is: a tool intended to bolster the Kept Voter ranks.

Oh btw You are a racist for not liking the reaming Obama gave us on that healthcare tax. You also hate children and want to see them starve according to the dead beat dads and baby murderers.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

No, union employees, people making minimum wage, retirees, self-employed people... -- none of those people would be subject to any of that.

And I see no historical evidence or proof that this has happened -- to indicate it will happen.

Wrong. Self employed people are treated the same way as a corporation without any of the social safety nets as an employee. I should know I am an independent contractor and I get to not only pay the employee portion of social security but the business share which is another 7%. I don't have to pay unemployment or workers comp but even if I did I couldn't use it because I'm an independent contractor.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: TrueBrit

Wrong argument. I grew up like that, with my Dad working his ass off. I also worked myself through high school and college, hard work doing fun stuff like picking onions and breaking down starters and alternators in a 140-degree quonset hut shop with no ventilation. Ate a lot of Ramen, a lot of beans, and a lot of game meat. No welfare, either... unless you county county extension office at-cost huge blocks of cheese, gallon tubs of peanut butter, and 50lb burlap sacks of pinto beans "welfare."

There are reasons I advocate a world where people STFU, put their head down, bend their back and work their own way out of whatever *ahem* "less fortunate" (a stupid term which anyone who has ever actually earned a day's wages should find extremely codescending and insulting.) situation they find themselves in. Can anybody do it? Absolutely. Will everybody do it? Nope. Is that my problem? Not in the least.

Well said and it applies to anyone who worked their butts off to succeed .. Unfortunately in today's world the have nots want what you have and are not willing to spend the time and effort to earn stuff... No problem the government will stop you from starving..

Some of my Swedish friends are telling me that the new arrivals are making more on government subsidies than people who worked all their lives and retired.. Nikita Khrushchev told us way back when that to convert to socialism or communism all you have to do is take charge of the schools and preach how wonderful they both are....even though every single one has failed or is in the process of failing; even China had to change their ways but as people got more freedoms the Chinese are having to censor the internet and free thoughts.. The private villas of the rich just change ownership from private to government. Not much different in telling everyone how free they are, even though they live in a police state or dictatorship..

Some of the lazy welfare kings and queens with their brood of babies should have thought about getting a job before having so many mouths to feed IMO. Now ... A working couple who both lose their jobs should have a time period where unemployment insurance pays their bills... No problem with that at all.. However milking the system for years on end is B.S. IMO.. Around here the reported unemployment rate is 2%... But there is no welfare and no government hand outs. You have family and that is it... Mom and dad will not put up with a freeloader either which seems to work better than any government program.. But those who have worked need to listen to the other side of the issue such as "Why work" ?
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originally posted by: Edumakated
My income fluctuates year to year, but I am generally in the $300-$500k range. If you think that raising my taxes by $50k won't have negative consequences, to be blunt you are an idiot.

That is money that might have funded my child's college tuition. That is money that might have been reinvested for my own retirement. It is money that I may have used for other charitable giving. It is money that supports my elderly mother.

People in this bracket making say $200-$500k are not rich. These are not people who are flying private planes and popping bottles with Jay-Z. In most cases, these are DUAL INCOME professionals. Your doctors, lawyers, middle management, sales, etc. Most of these people live very modest lives and are at the pinnacle of their earning career and in some cases, income at this level may only last a few years.

Typically people making this kind of money live in major urban cities with very high costs of living. Starter homes costing $500k or more. Private school tuitions. Day care. Student loans. Retirement.

Is Bernie's tax increase going to drive into bankruptcy? No. But it most certainly might change my spending habits which most certainly is going to trickle down. I may not take that vacation. I may not eat out as much.

I keep asking you liberals how much of my earned money you think you deserve? I mean why is it that I am greedy for wanting to keep what I earn but you aren't greedy for demanding I give it to you? What kind of messed up socialist world do we live in where it is greed to want to keep what you work for?

I bust my azz in school so I could get into a certain career. Then I bust my azz some more working 80 hour weeks to learn my business. Then I took out nearly $100 grand in student loans to further my education with an MBA. Then I worked 80 hours week again to climb the ladder at the company. Why sacrifice and work hard if the government is just going to take it?

I know how You feel brother. I never had the opportunity to go to school because I had a very messed up child hood. Now that didn't stop Me from trying to make a good living. When opportunity surfaced to go to work in the offshore oil field I took it and ran with it. When I started My day rate was 140 a day 18 years ago and now it's up to 600 a day. I am now a company rep and I know I'll be out of work soon but enough is enough. I used to spend months offshore working 12 - 16 hour days just so bernie supporters can point at Me and beg the corrupt politicians to steal the fruits of My labor. The last time I checked those very same dead beats were not supporting a child or a family or actually making any sacrifices to get ahead.

a reply to: jkm1864

Sounds to me like you pay the same kind of taxes an employee would at any company. Income tax, plus SS/Medicare.

According to the IRS website:

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

IRS

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Edumakated

I have an uncle, my dad's youngest brother, who came back from the military and went in with a bunch of his buddies out in Cali. They started a company that had something to do with scanner technology in grocery stores. It was an enormous risk that paid off. When I was entering high school he was retiring early with his first million, but he got bored and went back to work for Apple and made a few million more.

He retired for the second time this past year to Hawaii.

My dad and all his siblings grew up dirt poor. I begrudge my uncle nothing. He earned every single penny and he has every right to do whatever he wants with it.

That's a great story. There is nothing wrong with using Your intelligence to get ahead. I admire people whom get rich off hard work and original ideas.

originally posted by: amazing
Yeah most of that "Sanders will raise all our taxes" crap, is just that, crap.

Most of what he's talking about is about "redistribution of Wealth" which means, taking the tax money we already pay and putting towards stuff that we actually want.

We don't want Wars in the middle east or subsidizes for Fossil fuel companies or increases in the budgets of our Alphabet agencies etc. We'd rather "redistribute" some of that money to Education and Healthcare. Things we actually need.

Also he'd like to replace the bloated Obamacare with a cheaper streamlined universal health care system. Something we all want. Except for the "supermen" that inhabit ATS= There is an abnormal amount of Right leaning American males that have an abnormal amount of money to spend on healthcare and the never get sick right here on ATS. LOL

You do realize most of the right leaning males You hate are not rich? Men tend to lean right because We don't have vagina's that can pop out children for a steady welfare check. You do realize that 20 years ago there was no welfare for Men or crazy checks so We HAD to feed ourselves. I grew up conservative because I grew up in a broken home and I learned at a early age what worked and what didn't work. I also made a lot of mistakes in My life and learned from them and didn't have the luxury of family or government for bail outs because those didn't exist.

a reply to: jkm1864

Yeah, I'm a greedy, evil SOB with a clockwork soul and the fires of hell toasting the inside of my brain pan... all because I find it reasonable, logical, and fair for a man to not only bear his own responsibility but also not robbed of a sizeable portion of his earnings simply to fund some jackwad politician's throng of Kept Voters.

It's alright though, Atlas will eventually roll his shoulders and things will rapidly change.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Piffle!

There is no way to put enough of a rose coloured tint on a lens, to suggest that a nation which has tent cities still, which has cities which do not have proper drinking water infrastructure, which do not have proper road infrastructure support, which has crumbling bridges all over the place, which still has districts using twenty year old textbooks in its classrooms, which contains the city of Detroit, can EVER say that there is not a wealth concentration problem.

The reason that people look at wealth like a big pie, IS BECAUSE THAT IS PRECISELY HOW IT DAMNED WELL WORKS! If one person earns ninety million dollars out of the hundred that were in circulation, everyone else IS going to have to share the remaining ten somehow. That IS how it ends up working out, no matter what mechanism is involved, and do you know how I know that?

When I look at a graph showing the cost of living, the one percent, and the other ninety nine, the cost of living keeps going way up, the wages at the tippety top go way, WAY up, and that leaves 99% of people getting crapped on either just barely affording to live, or failing to afford it at all. The whole nation, given the capital available there, should be living above the poverty line. There is no excuse, no acceptable reason why anything else should be the case, especially when you realise that the vast majority of those 99% will work harder for a pittance than most CEOs have worked in their whole lives to date.

Nah it doesn't work that way one bit. I think You forgot about the central bank that prints out billions of notes a year to keep money in the system. Rich people accumulate wealth because there is a certain point where they top off on living expenses and all the rest go into savings. If what You said was true then suddenly the money would dry up and We would all be dead due to starvation. The simple fact is there is still money in the economy it just gets inflated to hell while the central banks print out money and gives it out to their friends like candy.

originally posted by: Puppylove
If you're making 250,000 a year and are complaining about roughly 50 thousand dropping you to 200000 thousand a year.... cry me a river as I play the world's smallest violin for you.

So you think either 33% or 37% of $250,000 is roughly $50,000 ?????

If you can't do basic math then how the hell is anyone supposed to give two shnits about your economic opinions ??

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Ohanka

Really? Just exactly is "more than enough" in your opinion. Give me an amount please. For a family of three.

Hahaha You are speaking to the wind brother. This person does not support a family of three. I'm willing to bet this person doesn't even support themselves or at best supports them self. Oh and before You jump down My throat realize getting subsidized living is not supporting Yourself or another.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: projectvxn
I love all the "I wanna be taxed more" people.

They act like giving money to the largest and most wasteful government ever devised is somehow charity.

That if they just take it from "the other guy" that it is somehow more just.

Why are we penalizing success?

And I love the irony of people who support the corruption and greed of the richest people in the world.

It's like some kind of weird Stockholm Syndrome, where the victim of abuse defends their abuser. It's like a beaten wife defending her scum of a husband.

Or maybe it's some kind of misguided hope, born out of being lied to and told a bunch of rubbish/myths that yes -- they do, if they work really, really REALLY hard and the stars align in just the right way...they too can be just like the richest people in the world!

It's no surprise the wealthiest people want to keep themselves at the top, and have systematically brainwashed the masses into complacency -- convincing them to vote themselves into bondage and keep themselves "poor for their own good".

If you're at the top, you'll do/say whatever you need to in order to stay there.

Well I could say the same thing about You and not having a problem with government corruption and greed. You do realize that is the most important issue RIGHT? A corporation or evil rich man can't steal Your money unless He gets a corrupt politician to steal it for Him. I hope You love those jack boots because one day they will come for You when someone else decides You are rich..

Oh btw We are moving toward a global economic system and under that system You are immensely richer than the African living on 2 dollars a day. So how are You going to feel when they ask the UN to raise Your taxes? Do You think Your standard of living will lower enough where You could live on 2 dollars a day? Do You think housing, education, & medical is going to get cheap enough for You to live on 2 dollars a day? You might want to think about this because this is where We are headed with globalism and uncontrollable immigration.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

It's the old: "It sucked being me growing up. So it should suck for you too" argument.

Or the "no one ever bothered to help me (even though I never asked) -- so I shouldn't be expected to offer help to anyone!" argument.

And you know what -- I thought about it. You shouldn't have to help anyone if you don't want to -- but then you better go and live in a hole in the ground or something because you have been, and are being helped indirectly and directly every single day by America's society, culture and government.

We have jobs because America has a government that created an economy we work in.

That's about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You attribute way to much to the government. If the federal government disappeared tomorrow life would continue on and so would the economy. A lot of the stuff You attribute to government comes to us naturally because it's programmed into our DNA. You could break away with 1000 people tomorrow and form a community and eventually their will be laws, businesses, jobs, schools, taxes, & a government. So no the government did not build that because people doing what people do built it all. I'm probably wasting My time but Hey maybe You will figure it out.

originally posted by: Puppylove
If you're making 250,000 a year and are complaining about roughly 50 thousand dropping you to 200000 thousand a year.... cry me a river as I play the world's smallest violin for you.

Yeah he should have it all taken and live on $20k. That will teach him to get a good job!

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: burdman30ott6

OK, fine -- just get rid of government. The economy would vanish.

There were systems of government prior to 1776 that EVOLVED INTO THE US GOVERNMENT.

Jesus H Christ ...

You do realize Government only serves one roll and that is to extort money from the masses and give it to the elite? You apparently have not picked up a history book if You haven't figured this out. So You are OK with the idea of a King or Tyrant enslaving the masses just as long as You get a cut right? The only difference in a king and a democracy is in a kingdom You know whom the tyrant is while as a democracy the tyrants own the banks, publishing companies, arms companies, media companies, & they spoon feed You everything You see and read to shape public opinion. But hey I'm the idiot because I have problems feeding a big corrupt beast that blows the hell out of innocent brown children all over the world for corporate creed.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

My guess is that you use the corrupt governments infrastructure on a daily basis, how do we stop the corruption and greed?

The government didn't build those roads. Do You actually think those jerks in Washington know how to build modern roads? Do You actually think they got off their fat bumms and built those roads? No they stole money from the tax victims and then paid professional CITIZENS to build those roads. This corrupt government could end tomorrow and guess what people will still build roads and have jobs because society makes those not the GOVERNMENT. You need to really get your thick skull checked because you attribute way to much to this government when in actuality these things COME NATURAL to people as a whole.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: jkm1864

Sounds to me like you pay the same kind of taxes an employee would at any company. Income tax, plus SS/Medicare.

According to the IRS website:

Self-employed individuals generally must pay self-employment tax (SE tax) as well as income tax. SE tax is a Social Security and Medicare tax primarily for individuals who work for themselves. It is similar to the Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from the pay of most wage earners. In general, anytime the wording "self-employment tax" is used, it only refers to Social Security and Medicare taxes and not any other tax (like income tax).

IRS

I do but I get to pay the business portion of social security also. You pay it too You just don't notice it because You pay with lower wages. I don't know how much taxes are on employment but it's a large cost per employee. I'll give you an example for offshore employees. I worked as a offshore surveyor for 18 years and I made roughly 400 dollars a day with My experience. Now bear in mind that job has a high turn over rate because You are required to live 24/7 on call with no time off and You can be gone from land for months at a time. I generally spent 9 months a year on the water and most people don't last long because they get burnt out and quit. Now keeping that in mind when business picks up there is always a shortage and when those jobs come up You have to hire independent contractors. The company that I worked for used independent contractors quite a bit and they generally paid over 600 dollars a day for these people. I know of one contractor that made about 1200 dollars a day but that was a fluke. What I'm trying to get at is they couldn't afford to pay Me much more that 400 dollars a day because of all the hidden costs but they could afford to pay a man 600 dollars a day and still break even. I'm not a business owner but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if You lowered the hidden costs toward businesses that wages would increase. I have sense went contract because working for a corporation sucks and it's better when I can pick My jobs instead of some boss whom is beholden to the stockholder screaming for more profit.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: jkm1864

Yeah, I'm a greedy, evil SOB with a clockwork soul and the fires of hell toasting the inside of my brain pan... all because I find it reasonable, logical, and fair for a man to not only bear his own responsibility but also not robbed of a sizeable portion of his earnings simply to fund some jackwad politician's throng of Kept Voters.

It's alright though, Atlas will eventually roll his shoulders and things will rapidly change.

Unfortunately it will be for the worse brother. These useful idiots will one day wish they had this economy back when their wishes are fulfilled. These people just haven't quite figured out that under a communist system everyone is poor and if You don't contribute toward society then You are eliminated.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
That calculator is A LIE.

I don't know how many times I've had to scream, yell, wave my arms around.

Unless you make over $250,000 a year, your taxes will NOT CHANGE.

The calculator is misleading, and doesn't represent the actual tax brackets that Sander's has published and discussed. The Vox site is propaganda.

25% to the feds, 6% to state and I generally flake on quarterly payments for additional interest. So over 30% is somehow ok? I would love to see all of you paying in, in place of your refunds. Fair is fair, it is a seek and find world and any of you with a little common sense can earn more and or seek work at some place other than the grocery store or Mc Donald's etc.. Do remember any and all can be a slum lord in Arkansas www.cosl.org... Just need some pocket change to get started.

When you do cross that line the tax burden has the effect of keeping a man in the dirt. You will be paying the $7-8K your neighbor gets back at the end of the year. Living pay day to pay day all the same you can pay or lose your property, have your credit wrecked, have your wages garnished etc.. Untold millions participate in social climbing. None should be punished.

I need to hear about taxes coming down! I could give a rats ass about folks like the Walton's who horde 40% of Americas wealth. I should not have to shoulder this burden.

Dear Bernie is everyone's best bud. Have a look at his website and you will see he supports everyone's far left and far right. He singles out groups for support and is big fat politician folks. No one can serve so many different interests. So who gets the shaft, or is it all BS?

We need a merit party where folks are nominated due to their merit alone. The potential of a nomination should be a surprise. Of course the day a high election is won on merit vs. rhetoric is the day hell would freeze over. Drink your FN cool aide!

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Puppylove
If you're making 250,000 a year and are complaining about roughly 50 thousand dropping you to 200000 thousand a year.... cry me a river as I play the world's smallest violin for you.

Yeah he should have it all taken and live on $20k. That will teach him to get a good job!

And DO a good job!