If Bernie Sanders is president the amount in additional taxes I would pay equals a new Honda Civic

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
You don't just wave your hands and create wealth out of thin air

Of course one doesn't. My professors were compensated handsomely for their assistance, and my employers were compensated as we agreed to, by me exchanging my time and energy for a particular rate of financial compensation.

You're making my point, though. Nobody deserves something for nothing. People who refuse to work, refuse to contribute, refuse to do much aside from saying "gimme, gimme," well... can't make money out of thin air, so they should logically be SOL in their predicament.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Detroit is the way it is because of their elected officials...not Donald Trumps money. Veterans are homeless not because of rich people but poor policy. Our infrastructure is some neglect and the wasteful spending if states. Not a rich person.

Like Chris Rock says, there is rich and there is wealthy. You can go from rich to poor in a wild weekend in Vegas.

1800 Billionaires are not to blame.

a reply to: Willingly

No. If you want a lower cost of living, make having accomondation/shelter/housing free for those who are forced to pay rent for their apartments and flats. Why does anybody claim to have the right to make money from renting out houses?

well, maybe the fact that they more than likely are the ones responsible for the upkeep of those houses, ya know when the roof needs to be fixed or the furnace has been declared dead. heck they may even owe money on the mortgage of that house, or for the initial remodeling of it to make it suitable for a person to live in to begin with, and they may have to borrow money to fix that roof or furnance....

they can't just rent them out for nothing, they'd take one heck of a risk. and well, even if they did just let people live there free of charge, let that roof cave in and injure on of their family members, and let's see just how fast they go running to the lawyers to sue the property owner of the house!! which by law, he would be liable probably.

but, there are things that could be done to reduce the cost of housing, since well, it's been artificially inflated for in various was for years!

ya, they have two cars, one if the car in their driveway that is barely running, the other one is hiding behind the house waiting for them to come up with money to fix the transmission since well, if they could get that fixed, well, it would run far better than the crap car they are running!! oh, wait a minute, the city just hauled that car out from the back yard for not having a current registration and tags on it!! oh darn!!

ya, the wealthy is creating jobs, in china, or india, mexico, or where ever they can legally dump their toxins into the rivers and pay their employees less money!

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Things you seem to treat as mutually exclusive, which are not:

Poor and hardworking.

Rich and greedy.

Hardworking and lucky.

The first of these three examples of the failure of your mindset, is exemplified by the line:

"people who refuse to work, refuse to contribute, refuse to do much aside from saying "Gimme, Gimme, Gimme,"...

These individuals are not the majority or anywhere close to it, of those receiving government assistance. Characterising those on some form of government aid as unemployed slackers is not accurate in the least, and cannot be justified in any fashion what so ever.

Where I refer to people who are both rich and greedy, I do so because you seem to believe that this is simply not how people at the top operate, that their motivations are noble. They are not. If you have lived a life worth living, I imagine you know that deep down inside, but are choosing to ignore the reality of what you know in your gut, because it argues with your general position on the matter at hand. The last person you should be BSing is yourself though, it's bad for your health.

You also seem to totally refuse to accept the notion of fortune, luck in your affairs. This is a problem that is typical to those who have been, in some respects, fortunate, in that they never believe that fortune plays a part, despite being part of a statistically anomalous group of people, who have gotten somewhere EXCLUSIVELY by the sweat of their brow. Whatever your experience may have been, most folks can only get anywhere by way of birth advantage, or shanking rivals in the metaphorical nutsack.

Your experience may well have been one way, but it is by no means common for things to work out because a person worked hard. I have known many people who have worked in all manner of hells, and worked till their bodies broke doing it too. None of them had anything to show for it. Statistically, you are not much more than an anomaly, so your experience is not representative in the least, of what one can expect from a life.

There are too many ignorant asshats at both end of the political spectrum. Why doesn't the middle come together, too many one issue voters, whether that be abortion, taxes, guns, or immigration. There are only two legitimate candidates in this election, John Kasich and Gary Johnson, and neither of them can get any traction.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
There are too many ignorant asshats at both end of the political spectrum. Why doesn't the middle come together, too many one issue voters, whether that be abortion, taxes, guns, or immigration. There are only two legitimate candidates in this election, John Kasich and Gary Johnson, and neither of them can get any traction.

I still think Sanders is legitimate, but that's beside the point of this reply. He's not REALLY a democrat and I believe he's been independent by self label for most of his career. But he knows/knew that the only way to get traction in the USA political scene is to attach yourself to one of the two major parties. Kasich had the misfortune of getting lost in the crowd, but the democratic side was always smaller. The Republican side is always more crowded so I don't know if that's a viable strategy for a libertarian like Gary Johnson and we see how they treat Ron and Rand Paul? Jill Stein could have gotten a lot more recogntion if she'd have self labeled as a democrat. Change the Machine from the inside. Isn't that the best way?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
That calculator is A LIE.

I don't know how many times I've had to scream, yell, wave my arms around.

Keep yelling, we don't care.

Bernie is a tired socialist bum who wants our money.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Here, everyone instead of just using some 3rd party calculator, why don't you use one that actually takes into account the reality of the Sander's tax plan:

bernietax.com

Wow, looks like I'd actually save over $2,500 a year!

THE CALCULATOR IS A LIE.

I can do it too!

Sheesh like I'm going to trust a socialist economic illiterate who can't even describe how he will 'break up the banks'.

Oh yeah, and a bum who couldn't manage to hold down a private sector job, then couldn't save anything after 30 years on a government salary...

Bernie's a loser. And a thief.

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: BubbaJoe
There are too many ignorant asshats at both end of the political spectrum. Why doesn't the middle come together, too many one issue voters, whether that be abortion, taxes, guns, or immigration. There are only two legitimate candidates in this election, John Kasich and Gary Johnson, and neither of them can get any traction.

I still think Sanders is legitimate, but that's beside the point of this reply. He's not REALLY a democrat and I believe he's been independent by self label for most of his career. But he knows/knew that the only way to get traction in the USA political scene is to attach yourself to one of the two major parties. Kasich had the misfortune of getting lost in the crowd, but the democratic side was always smaller. The Republican side is always more crowded so I don't know if that's a viable strategy for a libertarian like Gary Johnson and we see how they treat Ron and Rand Paul? Jill Stein could have gotten a lot more recogntion if she'd have self labeled as a democrat. Change the Machine from the inside. Isn't that the best way?

I am not against Bernie, but don't think he is electable, my opinion. If the two party system is to continue, the parties need to vet their candidates better.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Here, everyone instead of just using some 3rd party calculator, why don't you use one that actually takes into account the reality of the Sander's tax plan:

bernietax.com

Wow, looks like I'd actually save over $2,500 a year!

THE CALCULATOR IS A LIE.

I can do it too!

Sheesh like I'm going to trust a socialist economic illiterate who can't even describe how he will 'break up the banks'.

Oh yeah, and a bum who couldn't manage to hold down a private sector job, then couldn't save anything after 30 years on a government salary...

Bernie's a loser. And a thief.

Please provide sources, or the Donald will sue you for slander, so much for the first amendment

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

My guess is that you use the corrupt governments infrastructure on a daily basis, how do we stop the corruption and greed?

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

My guess is that you use the corrupt governments infrastructure on a daily basis, how do we stop the corruption and greed?

Get rid of the corrupt politicians and socialists.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

Based on your profile pic, you draw your wages from Uncle Sugar. From one vet to another, you might want to consider what you post public. Married military members draw a large portion of their income tax free.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I don't support corruption and greed.

Giving my hard earned money to an already corrupt and dangerous government isn't the answer to corruption and greed.

My guess is that you use the corrupt governments infrastructure on a daily basis, how do we stop the corruption and greed?

Get rid of the corrupt politicians and socialists.

Same could be said about the corrupt politicians and the republicans.

ETA: Sorry that was redundant, but the same could be said about the democrats.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

And military members earned every damned dime they get.

It blows my mind people spending over 100k a yr. Like how? Seriously i dont get it.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BubbaJoe

And military members earned every damned dime they get.

I agree, served 7 years my self, and still receive benefits, and excellent benefits from the VA.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

I'm out now.

Being in the military doesn't prevent me from posting on ATS anyway.

Either way, I think government spends too much money and doesn't need more tax dollars. It needs to cut the fat. You don't cure obesity by eating more.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I'm out now.

Being in the military doesn't prevent me from posting on ATS anyway.

Either way, I think government spends too much money and doesn't need more tax dollars. It needs to cut the fat. You don't cure obesity by eating more.

There are those that think they spend too much on the military, some think they spend too much on the poor, some think they spend too much on the elderly. Why don't you take a stance, and say where they spend too much?