If Bernie Sanders is president the amount in additional taxes I would pay equals a new Honda Civic

a reply to: Edumakated

The rich are doing us so many favors, look at all these wonderful trade agreements they gave us!

Look at our economy, watch the rich get richer, next they will think the rich should be president, oops they already are trying that #!

Tax the hell out of the rich!

To get their money out of politics!

Vote for Sanders!!!!!!!!

a reply to: AlaskanDad

The rich didn't give us the trade agreements.

Politicians did.

Obama with TPP, Clinton with NAFTA.

originally posted by: amazing
Yeah most of that "Sanders will raise all our taxes" crap, is just that, crap.

Most of what he's talking about is about "redistribution of Wealth" which means, taking the tax money we already pay and putting towards stuff that we actually want.

We don't want Wars in the middle east or subsidizes for Fossil fuel companies or increases in the budgets of our Alphabet agencies etc. We'd rather "redistribute" some of that money to Education and Healthcare. Things we actually need.

Also he'd like to replace the bloated Obamacare with a cheaper streamlined universal health care system. Something we all want. Except for the "supermen" that inhabit ATS= There is an abnormal amount of Right leaning American males that have an abnormal amount of money to spend on healthcare and the never get sick right here on ATS. LOL

So give more money to Department of Education ? Give more money to Government so they can use it better than now ? At the same time saying Government is bought and paid for by the rich ?! How is giving more money to a corrupt Government going to improve anything ?

originally posted by: Edumakated
Ironic isn't it? So blinded by their own ideology, they can't see when they are getting screwed over. Some of the biggest wealth inequities are in supposedly socialist utopias where there are the political elites who don't have to share in the equal misery of the lower classes.

Which doesn't say anything about Socialism being the problem. All it shows is that corruption is everywhere. Socialist ideas don't include political elites stealing from everyone and hiding their money legally offshore. So saying that is inherent in Socialism isn't true.

Capitalist countries do the exact same thing yet you don't point to them for the same reason. Because you're bias is in favor of Capitalism rather than Socialism that's all.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

The rich didn't give us the trade agreements.

Politicians did.

Obama with TPP, Clinton with NAFTA.

Stop being so dense. The Government just signed the paperwork making them official. But on who's behalf were they created for??? Who benefits from them???

BTW, many within the Gov. are the Rich Elites as well. Most of the rest of them are just in their pockets.

originally posted by: speeddr2000
So give more money to Department of Education ? Give more money to Government so they can use it better than now ? At the same time saying Government is bought and paid for by the rich ?! How is giving more money to a corrupt Government going to improve anything ?

There is a lot of truth to that statement actually. Until we get the money and the buying of political favor out of our Government everything else is really pointless to argue over.

Unless that core problem is resolved nothing else we do will matter because the rich and powerful will always be able to simply buy their way into whatever they want.

Once you allow for Government to be bought and Laws to be Purchased you no longer have a Government of the People or a Just Legal System. Government Authority is then Privatized and Justice is Arbitrary.

a reply to: dawnstar

It is not free. I know that. The fact is though that the current politicians keep putting it on top of what it there. Saying we will see benefits in 2021 is like telling a summer girlfriend you love her forever. It sounds good at the time and all parties are happy.

However, when the party is over the real life kicks in. MORE taxes are not the way to go. Cut spending. Start somewhere. The country is so complacent that when Trump said he would start to cut they said it would not be enough, why bother? That is the thinking that got us here in the first place.

Sanders is taxes for all wrapped up in free stuff. That is the main reason I would never vote for him.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: DBCowboy

The rich didn't give us the trade agreements.

Politicians did.

Obama with TPP, Clinton with NAFTA.

Stop being so dense. The Government just signed the paperwork making them official. But on who's behalf were they created for??? Who benefits from them???

BTW, many within the Gov. are the Rich Elites as well. Most of the rest of them are just in their pockets.

It baffles me how you will blame the wealthy and successful and ignore the politicians you champion.

a reply to: speeddr2000

how is taxing the poorest of us more going to help anything, which I do believe is one of the things that the op is griping about, the poor doesn't have to pay as much taxes at they do..

the more the wealth is consolidated into the hands of the few while income of the rest are pushed lower and lower, well, the more the burden will be put on those wealthy, and the more the people are going to need those gov't programs. just how in heck can you see it any different way? and well, if they have come up with wealth through honorable means, like some seem to insist, by creating jobs, well, most of those jobs they've been creating of late has been the in the low income service sector, which means, well they are just as dependent on those gov't benefits as their employees since if they didn't exist, they would be either forced to pay them to more or have to put up with hungry, unhappy, employees who might be homeless, certainly wouldn't have a phone available for the employer to call when they need them to come in to fill in for a sick employee, ect. they would more than likely would lose business since the state of their employees would affect the company in negative ways. thus taking away their profits anyways...

so, who should be paying the higher taxes, since the idea that our gov't is going to cut enough out of their budget to avoid having to do so in the future is so unrealistic it's laughable. should it be the poorest among us, and then we can just give it back to them in the form of gov't assistance? should it be those in the middle class who are barely getting by and well, just might fall into the poor as defined by those eligibility requirements and end up getting benefits to make it up, or well, end up having to have their budgets interfere with their ability to provide the business with the services that they expect?

as far as the trade deals, ya they made by politicians, but who do they benefit if not the businesses?
and as far as the griping about individuals having to include their business income on their taxes, well, first of all...
they are legal ways to avoid that that don't cost that much money, it's called a LLC I believe! and second of all, as a business owner you some tax deductions that most of us don't get. reserve a room in you house and you get to deduct part of your rent and electricity bill, ect. and well, most of your business expenses are deductable so well, there is no way that the taxes you earn could interfere with your ability to pay your staff, since you aren't being taxed on that money to begin with! that standardized deduction that enables some of your employees to get by without having to pay any taxes is the same as them allowing you to deduct your expenses, only hey, they get that money decucted from their paycheck and end up having to wait till the end of the year to get it back, when in fact, they probably could have used that money during the year, but were forced to give the gov't an interest free loan!

a reply to: DBCowboy

It's both. The problem is, you refuse to recognize the ridiculously wealthy and their contribution to this situation. You have the same blinders on your accusing of, just in the opposite direction.

Both the ridiculously wealthy and politicians, who are sometimes both one and the same are responsible.

Pretending it's just one or the other is completely delusional.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It baffles me how you will blame the wealthy and successful and ignore the politicians you champion.

Of course it baffles you, that's because you're not understanding anything I'm saying.

I don't champion the politicians while blaming the rich. Because they are mostly one in the same!!! When they aren't the same then the politicians are simply in the pockets of the rich which is just as bad.

How do you get that I'm favoring the politicians???

What baffles me is how you don't blame the rich when it's clearly them who buy the politicians in the first place and are the only ones who benefit from the horrible policies coming out of DC.

How are you not able to put those two together and figure out who's behind these problems??? Do you think the rich are buying politicians off to make policies against themselves yet somehow things just keep working out in their favor??? I mean come on man!!

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: DBCowboy

It's both. The problem is, you refuse to recognize the ridiculously wealthy and their contribution to this situation. You have the same blinders on your accusing of, just in the opposite direction.

Both the ridiculously wealthy and politicians, who are sometimes both one and the same are responsible.

Pretending it's just one or the other is completely delusional.

The wealthy don't write the laws and pass the laws and sign the laws.

Politicians do.

Get so politicians with actual spines and you won't have this issue.

a reply to: Puppylove

Exactly!!!

I thought this was obvious to everyone.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Most such people don't go into politics sadly. Old saying that's completely true.

"Those who seek power, don't deserve it, and those who do, don't seek it."

originally posted by: DBCowboy
The wealthy don't write the laws and pass the laws and sign the laws.

Politicians do.

Get so politicians with actual spines and you won't have this issue.

Good lord you can't be serious with that statement.

If I pay someone to kill you do you only charge the hitman and leave me out of it???

Think about it man.

BTW, the wealthy actually do write the laws sometimes. Then they pay Government to pass them.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The wealthy don't write the laws and pass the laws and sign the laws.

Politicians do.

ARE YOU KIDDING?

The wealthy BUY the politicians who do the wealthy's bidding.
The LEGISLATURE is owned. Pwned. Whatever you want to call it - THAT is the whole goddamn problem - the law-makers are for sale to the highest bidder.

Just like run-away jury. "Jury for sale." "Congress for sale."

Get with reality, boy.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Get with reality? You have a candidate that cannot be bought. Can't. Why, because he buys politicians. Why is this a bad thing folks? Deals. Why would he make deals? Because he knows things on ALL of these people.

Rich people are not the devil. Some can be real aholes, I know some, but some you would never know. People with 3-400 million in the bank and they drive a 8 year old honda and live in a modest home. They give back a lot. Many are good business owners but by trying to stick it to the man you are sticking it also to the guy who not only is making a living but has 300 employee counting on him to make payroll.

I have learned at my age that the only people who do not like someone with some money is someone without it. It is pure selfish hate. I have read on here and heard on the MSM people say " How dare they not pay more taxes...."

Why should they? I believe though that they should not get tax breaks. No one should. Trump says 10-20-25. Flat 15 for businesses. The more people make the more 'good' employers pour that money back in.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: DBCowboy

Most such people don't go into politics sadly. Old saying that's completely true.

"Those who seek power, don't deserve it, and those who do, don't seek it."

True.

I just can't get behind attacking successful people.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I must say, I really must hand it to the Conservative propaganda machine. They've done an excellent job convincing a huge number of people that Wealth automatically absolves anyone from any responsibility regardless of what they do with that wealth and power.

The wealthy hide their money from being taxed but it's not Tax evasion like it would be for anyone else, it's just good business practices.

The wealthy buy politicians so they can pass laws exempting them from being charged for any wrong doing but they aren't to blame, it's the politicians fault for not standing up to their bribes.

The wealthy hide behind legal mazes while they crush the common people and steal what little wealth they have and who is to blame for their plundering??? The poor who are being plundered.

I mean you have to give them credit for what they've accomplished with this message. They have convinced the victims and bystanders to blame everyone else but the one responsible. Some of whom are also responsible as well, but never as far as the actual source.

It's like blaming everyone in the chain of command of an invading army except the guy at the top giving the orders. Oh no, we must not blame him, he's just being a good leader.

This is why Trump is so successful as well. Trump supporters don't see him as part of the problem even though he has admitted to buying political favor many times in the past. Even though buying politicians for favors is why things are so messed up now, apparently it's perfectly ok to buy favors with your wealth. It's being bought that is the problem in their eyes. Buying favor is just considered smart spending. a reply to: BuzzyWigs

originally posted by: matafuchs
Get with reality? You have a candidate that cannot be bought. Can't. Why, because he buys politicians. Why is this a bad thing folks? Deals. Why would he make deals? Because he knows things on ALL of these people.

Well, that didn't take long for an example of what I'm saying to raise their hand.

Gee, why is it bad for someone to buy politicians???? That's a tough one.

Do you even know what you're saying??? Can you hear yourself saying what you just wrote and not be shocked by what you just heard???