Trump and the now hollow threat of running as Independant

a reply to: MrSpad

They will deny Trump the nomination in favor of Cruz. Cruz will not win a general election...his GOP backers do not even like him.

Why then bother? Because Trump will do more damage as a nomine (who will also lose) than Cruz...in the form of the Dems hanging trump around the neck of every Republican Senator or Congressman running for office or re-election for the next 8 years.

Put another way, the RNC is not so naïve as to be expecting to win a general election...and they HATE Cruz anyways..

They are looking to limit collateral and long term damage to the party.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: Indigo5

Maybe he's already got the signatures just in case.

Seems reasonable.

I think maybe one of the 80,000 Texans that would have theoretically signed his third party petition would have mentioned doing so? On twitter or somewhere?

You know what's funny, Cruz is always crowing about how Trump can't get above 35% of the GOP vote, which is correct, and criticizes the Trump supporters nonstop. But he needs that 35%, if he happens to get the nomination, and has absolutely no chance of 'unifying' them with his base. I can see him now, pissing and moaning when he loses the election to Hillary after Trump goes third party. He'll of course blame Trump, but he has polarized Trump supporters as much as he has blamed Trump's polarizing the GOP. Good luck, Booger Boy.

a reply to: Indigo5

You're right about the deadline problem.

But the very fact that RNC allowed Trump to run as a Republican Candidate is the heart of the problem and that problem is the awesome weakness of the Republican leadership and the RNC in particular. They should have denied him the license to run as a Republican in the first place on the grounds of ................whatever.

The real truth of it is that the Establishment GOP elites should bail on the GOP and sign up with the DNC, if they can, and take their money with them. The GOP? Probablly toast after this IMHO.

a reply to: UnBreakable

None of it really makes any sense. The Republicans came in talking a big game thinking they were going to get one over on Trump by making him take the pledge and now he's winning. Now the R's are hot because he is winning.

The R's have shot themselves in the foot this whole campaign because they have been fighting themselves. Now they are acting like whinny spoiled brats because they aren't getting their way.

They didn't ever like Trump. They won't ever like Trump and are just paying Trump lip service hoping he doesn't break away and run independent blowing the R's chances completely at winning the election.

What I find astonishing is that the GOP thinks negative, mean spirited and old school style of campaigning will win converts to the conservative cause.

The electorate is sick and tired of that BS, yet the Republicans blindly put up as their front man goofy extremists that think alienating large voting blocks will win elections.

This dumbass strategy makes the democrats happy.

The democrats don't really WIN elections....The GOP just loses. The Republican have plenty of intelligent people to chose from, but they apparently have an affinity for goofballs.

Nothing would make the democrats happier than to see Trump go 3rd party and finish off the GOP for years to come.

The conservative mind set just isn't appealing to the vast majority of voters. Apparently they think "Duck Dynasty" represents the American electorate.

The Republicans are the ones who are in a very bad position regardless of what happens. They don't want Trump and know he can't win while at the same time if they cut him out of the party then his very large voter base goes sour on Republicans. It's a bad situation for them and they probably know they can't win in any possible scenario.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Trump can beat Hillary, no matter what the match up data says.

We haven't seen Trump and Hillary go head to head to allow voters to make the distinction of who they like better. All these charts and polls saying Trump is less unfavorable than Hillary is all speculation at this point.

a reply to: gpols

Hillary is getting elected. We all know this. I don't want it, but she will be the next president. The sooner we all accept that we exist under the control of a corrupt government the sooner we as citizens can start putting together real ideas to remove people from power. We're way past these silly elections. It's all just a show anyways. There's real change coming.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Indigo5

You're right about the deadline problem.

But the very fact that RNC allowed Trump to run as a Republican Candidate is the heart of the problem and that problem is the awesome weakness of the Republican leadership and the RNC in particular. They should have denied him the license to run as a Republican in the first place on the grounds of ................whatever.

But they loved it initially because Trump brought a lot of attention to the GOP when he announced he was running last July. They also loved the fact he added much needed interest and viewership in their GOP debates. It was fun for them when there were seventeen candidates. They thought he wasn't a serious candidate nor he would get any support. But lo and behold, as the field dwindled to three and he won a lot of states and delegates, the joke is now on them and biting them in the ass. Now they have buyers remorse.
As much as they used him, Trump has used the GOP in running a campaign under their umbrella and getting tens of millions of $ of free airtime without paying a dime. He never had any intention of remaining a GOPer after signing that bogus pledge and he will continue using the GOP until the Cleveland convention before going third party. And he will also get the last laugh by costing the GOP the election. He knows he won't win either, but just the fact he'll lose on his own terms while taking the GOP, who will screw him, down with him, is extremely satisfying. The whole year plus has been his greatest reality show plus he'll parlay this whole experience into a huuuuuge moneymaker. Book it.

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Trump can beat Hillary, no matter what the match up data says.

We haven't seen Trump and Hillary go head to head to allow voters to make the distinction of who they like better. All these charts and polls saying Trump is less unfavorable than Hillary is all speculation at this point.

I would pay green money to see a Trump /Hillary debate in person. It will be an appropriate ending to the circus that has become American politics.

We should be grateful to the Donald for exposing the charade for what it really is. "A Confederacy of Dunces"

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Trump can beat Hillary, no matter what the match up data says.

We haven't seen Trump and Hillary go head to head to allow voters to make the distinction of who they like better. All these charts and polls saying Trump is less unfavorable than Hillary is all speculation at this point.

Of course every MSM poll shows Hillary beating him, because they are all in the tank for her. And 85% of the sheeple get all their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc. But I think he could beat her too, straight up. Unfortunately the sheeple will vote for her because their TV told them to.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
You know what's funny, Cruz is always crowing about how Trump can't get above 35% of the GOP vote, which is correct, and criticizes the Trump supporters nonstop. But he needs that 35%, if he happens to get the nomination, and has absolutely no chance of 'unifying' them with his base. I can see him now, pissing and moaning when he loses the election to Hillary after Trump goes third party. He'll of course blame Trump, but he has polarized Trump supporters as much as he has blamed Trump's polarizing the GOP. Good luck, Booger Boy.

Trump should break 35% in NY...if for no other reason than Cruz publicly, during a debate on national television...derided "New York City Values" and spat the words out distastefully...The GOP in New York would vote for a sewer rat if they were running against Cruz.

As far as Cruz...he is disliked to a stunning degree by the Republicans in DC that have personally worked with him...His college roommate of 2 years hates him...his past interns tell stories of him publicly demeaning them for entertainment etc. He was also known for putting his boots up on peoples desk when he met with them. Just all kinds of those stories...strange circumstances that Republicans that hate him are forced to back him just to eliminate Trump.

originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Trump can beat Hillary, no matter what the match up data says.

We haven't seen Trump and Hillary go head to head to allow voters to make the distinction of who they like better. All these charts and polls saying Trump is less unfavorable than Hillary is all speculation at this point.

Of course every MSM poll shows Hillary beating him, because they are all in the tank for her. And 85% of the sheeple get all their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, etc. But I think he could beat her too, straight up. Unfortunately the sheeple will vote for her because their TV told them to.

Its not MSM polls...lots of polling places take their independence, accuracy and credibility very seriously...and they all show Hillary trouncing Trump...that is not mysterious or conspiratorial...it takes very little thinking about the things he has said to realize he has alienated and outright attacked some must-have voting blocks.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Trump can beat Hillary, no matter what the match up data says.

We haven't seen Trump and Hillary go head to head to allow voters to make the distinction of who they like better. All these charts and polls saying Trump is less unfavorable than Hillary is all speculation at this point.

I would pay green money to see a Trump /Hillary debate in person. It will be an appropriate ending to the circus that has become American politics.

We should be grateful to the Donald for exposing the charade for what it really is. "A Confederacy of Dunces"

A Hillary vs. Trump debate would entirely polarize the voters...Trump would retreat to insults and personal attacks when his intellect and policy knowledge base proved insufficient to debate a former secretary of state...Women would shout at the screen at Donald Trump...and some of them would be Republican women...Trump's die-hard supporters would revel at seeing Hillary Clinton personally attacked on national television...and she would win by an astounding margin.

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Unless the R's and get their crap together and stop all this preschool spoiled brat fighting she most definitely will win. And that is the real tragedy because things will only get worse under her. At least with Trump some things will go the opposite direction.

a reply to: olaru12

I would pay green money to see a Trump /Hillary debate in person. It will be an appropriate ending to the circus that has become American politics.

That's what I'm saying. At some point the policy issues are going to matter and that will happen in the general election. Seeing a Trump/Hillary debate would be amazing.

originally posted by: gpols
a reply to: olaru12

I would pay green money to see a Trump /Hillary debate in person. It will be an appropriate ending to the circus that has become American politics.

That's what I'm saying. At some point the policy issues are going to matter and that will happen in the general election. Seeing a Trump/Hillary debate would be amazing.

This has nothing to do with liking or disliking Hillary Clinton...I am Neutral to Negative on how I "feel" about her...

She is smarter than Trump, she knows infinitely more about world affairs than Trump, she is more strategic and tactful than Trump. She would tie him in knots in a national debate and his face would flush the familiar red and he would go personal (like his base wants him to)...and he would find himself on national television attacking a woman in a very personal way...and women constitute over half our population.

He would destroy himself in a debate against Hillary and go down in flames taking much of the GOP with him.

a reply to: Indigo5

Nah. It wouldn't go down like that. His campaign team would know what Hillary is up too. She is predictable. Not to mention folks would see Trump's policy views refreshing vs. the same ole same ole from Hill Dawg.

a reply to: olaru12

Good. Let them keep thinking that. It will be sweet to watch 70% of the GOP who are up for re-election down ticket fall on their swords as well.

Maybe we can do the Dems next time.