America, Why Do People Support Donald Trump?

a reply to: Konduit

This is my favorite Sanders supporter fail, it shows how brainwashed they are, its almost scary

a reply to: tadaman

Trump is a famous liar. He is well known for that. I don't know how anyone can believe anything he says. (In one way, that is a relief, because he has said some ridiculous things.)

The wall on the Mexican border! It will cost five times as much as he says it will and will become a huge real estate boondoggle, particularly in Texas.

He says he will sell American assets, land, etc. to pay down the debt. Who is going to buy that land? Does the name China come to mind? It should.

a reply to: ketsuko

You are right about that. I personally believe it to be indicative of a deeper issue here. Look at the players. Billionaires are funding the protests. Paying people to protest.. That is not protest. It is disruption.

I've watched a number of "social experiments" on various channels. One of them was over a damn t-shirt. It boiled down to same dude, different shirts. When he sported a Trump shirt, it escalated quickly. I've seen the reports of vandalism, threats, and intimidation. What I've seen is not entirely "balanced across the spectrum" so to speak.

I'm not even a republican, I speak more spanish than my wife, and she is Mexican.

The trash talk online is one thing, but this time around, it's spilling out into the real world. I've been called a racist, been accused of "hating mexicans", was told my car would have it's tires slashed if I put a Trump sticker on it.

The sh*t is getting real here. The thing is, I don't think it has nearly as much to do with politics as is being portrayed.

This place is a powder keg for a number of different reasons. What it boils down to in the end is, how far will people be pushed before they react? People come in with the verbal assault, get right up in people's faces, then play victim when they get shoved, or even punched. They want the reaction.

a reply to: Substracto

Yeah, but this pretty much describes what he's going through.

a reply to: Indigent

Sorry if that was the case, I'm Portuguese, the culture's arent that different.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Obama came in promising "Hope and Change" and gave us more of the same

I can't speak to the "Hope" part because every single person "hopes" for a different thing.

I do take issue with the sentiment that Obama did not provide "Change." He sure changed a LOT, in my opinion.

In the realm of what can be shown with facts and figures (as manipulated as they may be, depending on the source) he made definitive, real and substantial change. He took a decent healthcare system and while I won't say he "destroyed" it, he certainly delivered a blow to coverage.

In areas that can't be supported with statistics (maybe) but are obvious to anyone that can approach the issues with a level head..... He (along with his better half and Holder) also took a major role in stirring up old race-related wounds.

He also (perhaps without understanding the implications) has elevated some of the worst regimes on the planet at the present moment. The Iran "deal" was ridiculous (because we - "we" meaning the rest of the civilized world received nothing for the concessions "we" made) but the fact that the President of the United went out of his way to endorse it only served to give credibility to the present Iranian leadership. (Prior to assaulting my "we got nothing in return" statement, please review what the Iranian government has done and said in the months since "the deal").

Further, there was his recent trip to Cuba. This effort (to be specific, the ONE-SIDED effort) to "normalize" relations with this horrid regime did NOTHING other than to elevate and legitimize the Castro's. The President of the United States gave them credibility and NOTHING was offered in return. Nothing was offered to the United States nor was anything offered to ease the "boot-on-the-neck" pressure the Cuban citizens live under. (Again, please read the official statements of the Cuban government broadcasts before attacking this messenger).

So yeah.... CHANGE was definitely delivered. In the financial world, the Wall St. world it may have been more of the same... but in the "big picture" stuff changes were absolutely made.

a reply to: ipsedixit

He is a liar, so are the others, so are the business tycoons all over the world, and politicians and alike..

a reply to: Konduit

are Cucks the natural evolution coming from Hipsters?

originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: tadaman

Trump is a famous liar. He is well known for that. I don't know how anyone can believe anything he says. (In one way, that is a relief, because he has said some ridiculous things.)

The wall on the Mexican border! It will cost five times as much as he says it will and will become a huge real estate boondoggle, particularly in Texas.

He says he will sell American assets, land, etc. to pay down the debt. Who is going to buy that land? Does the name China come to mind? It should.

You got some evidence of this famous liar or are you a liar?

a reply to: Substracto

That and becoming a Socialist, since it's pretty much like getting cucked by the government.

The state is your baby daddy now.

a reply to: introvert

War weakens this country. Out-of-control crony capitalism weakens this country. That includes healthcare, Wall Street, etc. Yet they continue to support those that stand against their own self interests.

This is exactly how I feel!!!!

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: Substracto

That and becoming a Socialist, since it's pretty much like getting cucked by the government.

The state is your baby daddy now.

Would that make Hillary your baby mamma?

a reply to: eluryh22

I don't agree with your assessment of Obama. I think things remained largely the same, except that health care coverage was extended, as I have been given to understand. The overall picture on health care is something I can't speak to.

The rapprochement with Cuba was going to happen, no matter what. An end of term President would be the one to do it. Obama was the one to do it. (Remember, Nixon went to China, largely because it was time to do it.)

Obama carried the Bush (neocon) foreign policy forward in North Africa (with some of Bush's carried over cabinet members). He's an Afro-American and therefore the oligarchs' perfect choice to be the "destabilize Africa" President. He delivered, but late in his mandate was an important brake, with Putin, on more dangerous moves against Syria, like a Libyan-style "no fly zone".

The Iran deal was not ridiculous, but Iran's recent truculent attitude is connected to "follow up sanctions" connected to missile development that were applied in the wake of removal of nuclear related sanctions. Iran is a very complicated subject and singling Obama out for dishonorable mention in the ongoing "slam dance" between the US and Iran is unfair, I think. It's a long story and it is not over yet.

a reply to: DBCowboy

90's Hillary was a total babe, you know what I'm thinkin'...

originally posted by: Xeven

You got some evidence of this famous liar or are you a liar?

The trouble with Trump supporters is that they don't do any research. There are numerous examples of his lying during this presidential campaign. We know that. But he was a well known liar in business too, and appears to a have lied in connection with the employment of illegal immigrants on a famous demolition project.

He said he didn't know they were illegal, but this was contradicted by one of his consultants, who said he told him personally that he was crazy for having illegals on the site.

Trump says he never settles lawsuits, but he settled that one. He hadn't paid the illegals everything they were owed. Is that lying?

originally posted by: Konduit
a reply to: DBCowboy

90's Hillary was a total babe, you know what I'm thinkin'...

Last time a saw a mouth like that, it had an apple in it.

a reply to: ipsedixit

Short answer to your question: Like Nigal Faruge (SP?) of the UK (was) he is a ball-burst of the establishment. And people are getting tired of being led by the nose toward a utopia that never seems to quite jell in their lifetimes.


That is NOT to say that either fellow are correct in their views, but the point is that they resist the status quo always being in power and claiming they know the way. that fact alone is what makes them popular even when they get wild, if not impossible, in what they shout.

a reply to: Aliensun

This is magical thinking. Anybody worth 4.5 billion dollars (according to Forbes Magazine) is the Establishment. If you don't understand that, you've drunk the Kool Aid.

a reply to: ipsedixit

except that health care coverage was extended

It is true that some people that did not have coverage now do. However, there are also many, MANY individuals that used to have coverage that now do not. Prior to the (alleged) "Affordable" Healthcare Act there was an entire industry that covered children only for parents that wanted to provide better coverage for their kids than they had for themselves. That entire sector is essentially gone and many people that were dependent on that are now essentially out of luck. Further, of the millions of people that still have their coverage, their monthly payments and deductibles and copays have SKYROCKETED while their overall coverage have been diminished.

Please keep in mind also that the State Exchanges are all but gone... (the last I checked I think there were eight (8) left).

I would also point out that the fact that when people (my wife and I included) visit their accountant during tax-paying season they have to provide proof of healthcare insurance seems intrusive and runs against the grain of a free society.
Disclaimer: To be candid that is me editorializing a bit

The rapprochement with Cuba was going to happen, no matter what.

Regarding Cuba, I don't accept the "Meh, it was going to happen anyway so no big deal" rationale. Clearly (at least in my mind) this was on Obama's "bucket list" and that in and of itself I have no issue with. However, he absolutely had the opportunity to (in plain language) say to the Castro's, "We would love nothing more than to open up Cuba to all the opportunities that American businesses and citizens have to offer. HOWEVER, you MUST change your ways regarding how you treat those you consider disidents. You MUST find a way to join the rest of the civilized world in the way we treat our people, especially those that disagree with the current people in office." He didn't do that though. He went down there, gave a few pro-Cuba photo-ops and did nothing (NOTHING) to help the Cuban people and made no mention of conditions for American businesses to operate in their country.

The Iran deal was not ridiculous, but Iran's recent truculent attitude is connected to "follow up sanctions" connected to missile development that were applied in the wake of removal of nuclear related sanctions

I say this not as a challenge but as an opportunity for me to be educated.... Can you identify a cause-effect "follow-up" sanction that relates to the rhetoric of Iran in the time since "the deal" was struck?

originally posted by: ipsedixit

originally posted by: Xeven

You got some evidence of this famous liar or are you a liar?

The trouble with Trump supporters is that they don't do any research. There are numerous examples of his lying during this presidential campaign. We know that. But he was a well known liar in business too, and appears to a have lied in connection with the employment of illegal immigrants on a famous demolition project.

He said he didn't know they were illegal, but this was contradicted by one of his consultants, who said he told him personally that he was crazy for having illegals on the site.

Trump says he never settles lawsuits, but he settled that one. He hadn't paid the illegals everything they were owed. Is that lying?

Was a third party contractor that hired illegals. Trump does not vet other companies employees, its not his job. If I hire a doctor who has an illegal nurse that is not my fault.