America, Why Do People Support Donald Trump?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Lol

I'm not a teenage girl and don't appreciate you talking to me as if I were.

I can find every single one of the usual ad homimem attacks on Trump by you in your post history.

Every single one? I didn't know there was a list compiled of the "usual ad hominem attacks" in regards to Trump. Can you provide that list?

You also don't like to debate, I already gave an example on another thread of your style - post after post of inane arguments. You just enjoy it, I get it. I'll leave you to it

I do like a good debate, but I also like to watch people paint themselves in to corners, especially when they don't even realize that is what they are doing. That is fun.

For example: Your post was not completely true, therefore could be considered an ad hominem attack. But I thought you said ad hominem attacks were "the epitome of anti-Trump". Or at least one of the characteristics.

Are you now anti-Trump?

Lol - you seem to be in a desperate fight with yourself to be in some way victorious. It's hilarious.
Just relax - it's ok that you are anti-Trump. That's your right.

The latest polls show 7 out of 10 of all Americans disprove of Trump. If somebody is American you have 70% of them being anti Trump. So you should pretty much assume most people are.

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
Quite simple. People support Trump due to lack of intelligence. It is, what it is.

Oh right...And you support Bernie the communist...

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: ipsedixit

It is clear that the institutional policies of make the American public fat, stupid, and lazy have been successful with large amounts of the population.

They have created a nation of people who will vote for a corrupt scumbag like Shillary Clinton because the alternative being served up is this pseudo-celebrity Trump and vice versa.

Fortunately for us a fair amount of people are paying attention and have funded Sanders to stop 4 more years of the heinous Clinton family.

I am still laughing about people thinking there is a difference between Shillary and Trump and their love of the CFR.

Well you really follow politics don't you? /s....It's Cruz's wife who is the CFR member...Trump has nothing to do with the CFR...

originally posted by: introvert
I don't think Trump is Hitler and I do think the people that support him, for the most part, have the best of intentions at heart. They want a change. They know that something is wrong. Something is wrong.

But our fellow member, Blazemore, was close to the mark. It's not that they are unintelligent though. They are misinformed. Many of the people that support someone like Trump has been exposed to years of Right Wing propaganda and are trained to be ignorant of what really weakens this country.

Abortion, gays, Liberals and illegal immigrants are not a threat to this country. They do not weaken this country.

War weakens this country. Out-of-control crony capitalism weakens this country. That includes healthcare, Wall Street, etc. Yet they continue to support those that stand against their own self interests.

At what point do they put their ego aside and see what the hell is really going on here?

You don't have a clue...The illegals have taken millions of jobs from Americans...With the overabundance of illegal workers the supply of workers is high so the wages are low...And they get billions of welfare dollars that we taxpayers have to pay...The jails are full of them...

originally posted by: Blazemore2000
Quite simple. People support Trump due to lack of intelligence. It is, what it is.

Undoubtedly many out of the MILLIONS of people that support Trump must statistically be doctors, scientists and other people with higher educations and higher IQ than you.Are. they also unintelligent?

Your statement is of arrogance and ignorance.


Who would a more intelligent choice be oh enlightened one?

Becausa reply to: ipsedixit
Because he's more honest and human than a bus full of Bernies or a trainload of Hilarys? Or perhaps because he talks to Americans about things they actually care about, like jobs, illegal immigration, and Islamic terrorism? Because Soros and all his SJW rent boys are spending hundreds of millions to try and stop him? Perhaps because he is as sick and tired of Political Correctness and minority anti-white racists like BLM as the rest of us? Or maybe it's because he promises to shake up Wall St and put an end to corruption and cronyism in DC?
Nah...you must be right I guess: it's because we are all stupid and the real answer is either socialism that has failed in every country its ever been tried in, or more of the usual corruption we've had for the last 20 years...

originally posted by: jimbo999
Becausa reply to: ipsedixit
Because he's more honest and human than a bus full of Bernies or a trainload of Hilarys? Or perhaps because he talks to Americans about things they actually care about, like jobs, illegal immigration, and Islamic terrorism? Because Soros and all his SJW rent boys are spending hundreds of millions to try and stop him? Perhaps because he is as sick and tired of Political Correctness and minority anti-white racists like BLM as the rest of us? Or maybe it's because he promises to shake up Wall St and put an end to corruption and cronyism in DC?
Nah...you must be right I guess: it's because we are all stupid and the real answer is either socialism that has failed in every country its ever been tried in, or more of the usual corruption we've had for the last 20 years...

I think you hit the nail on the head.

Hillary is a typical career politician who has one overriding concern at the top of her list - i.e. Hilary Clinton
Second on her list will be looking out for all of her lackeys.

Same as all politicians.

Trump isn't playing the game that way and I think people like the change.

originally posted by: MrSpad

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

Lol

I'm not a teenage girl and don't appreciate you talking to me as if I were.

I can find every single one of the usual ad homimem attacks on Trump by you in your post history.

Every single one? I didn't know there was a list compiled of the "usual ad hominem attacks" in regards to Trump. Can you provide that list?

You also don't like to debate, I already gave an example on another thread of your style - post after post of inane arguments. You just enjoy it, I get it. I'll leave you to it

I do like a good debate, but I also like to watch people paint themselves in to corners, especially when they don't even realize that is what they are doing. That is fun.

For example: Your post was not completely true, therefore could be considered an ad hominem attack. But I thought you said ad hominem attacks were "the epitome of anti-Trump". Or at least one of the characteristics.

Are you now anti-Trump?

Lol - you seem to be in a desperate fight with yourself to be in some way victorious. It's hilarious.
Just relax - it's ok that you are anti-Trump. That's your right.

The latest polls show 7 out of 10 of all Americans disprove of Trump. If somebody is American you have 70% of them being anti Trump. So you should pretty much assume most people are.

Pretty much. That is what I said, there is anti-Trump and pro-Trump. The anti-Trump coalition is much bigger.

I see a lot of people in this thread voicing memes that are part of the standard rally speeches of Donald Trump.

Politicians are corrupt, they are bought by big business, the Donald is an outsider (lol), he tells it like it is, etc. This is the kind of thing that sports fans say when talking about their team. It's their team and yes, they might, in reality, be just as much a bunch of louts, boozers and chasers as the other team is, but its their team.

OK. I get it and I won't fight on that level.

But take a look at this New York Times article on the Donald's ideas on health care. Here's what one Republican expert, not a politician, a harsh critic of Obama's health care initiatives, had to say:

www.nytimes.com... umn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Mr. Trump’s health care platform “resembles the efforts of a foreign student trying to learn health policy as a second language,” said Thomas P. Miller, a health economist at the American Enterprise Institute and a harsh critic of President Obama’s health law.

The rest of the article doesn't absolutely slay Trump but it makes it pretty clear that this guy has a lot of half baked ideas, hasn't really thought things through and basically doesn't know what he is talking about on health care, and that's coming from both sides of the aisle.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
I see a lot of people in this thread voicing memes that are part of the standard rally speeches of Donald Trump.

Politicians are corrupt, they are bought by big business, the Donald is an outsider (lol), he tells it like it is, etc. This is the kind of thing that sports fans say when talking about their team. It's their team and yes, they might, in reality, be just as much a bunch of louts, boozers and chasers as the other team is, but its their team.

OK. I get it and I won't fight on that level.

But take a look at this New York Times article on the Donald's ideas on health care. Here's what one Republican expert, not a politician, a harsh critic of Obama's health care initiatives, had to say:

www.nytimes.com... umn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Mr. Trump’s health care platform “resembles the efforts of a foreign student trying to learn health policy as a second language,” said Thomas P. Miller, a health economist at the American Enterprise Institute and a harsh critic of President Obama’s health law.

The rest of the article doesn't absolutely slay Trump but it makes it pretty clear that this guy has a lot of half baked ideas, hasn't really thought things through and basically doesn't know what he is talking about on health care, and that's coming from both sides of the aisle.

Whenever I read an 'expert' opinion that starts with something like "resembles the efforts of a foreign student trying to learn health policy as a second language", I ignore it. It's worthless as it shows inherent bias. No serious commentary would have anything like this in it's assessment.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
I see a lot of people in this thread voicing memes that are part of the standard rally speeches of Donald Trump.

Politicians are corrupt, they are bought by big business, the Donald is an outsider (lol), he tells it like it is, etc. This is the kind of thing that sports fans say when talking about their team. It's their team and yes, they might, in reality, be just as much a bunch of louts, boozers and chasers as the other team is, but its their team.

OK. I get it and I won't fight on that level.

But take a look at this New York Times article on the Donald's ideas on health care. Here's what one Republican expert, not a politician, a harsh critic of Obama's health care initiatives, had to say:

www.nytimes.com... umn-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Mr. Trump’s health care platform “resembles the efforts of a foreign student trying to learn health policy as a second language,” said Thomas P. Miller, a health economist at the American Enterprise Institute and a harsh critic of President Obama’s health law.

The rest of the article doesn't absolutely slay Trump but it makes it pretty clear that this guy has a lot of half baked ideas, hasn't really thought things through and basically doesn't know what he is talking about on health care, and that's coming from both sides of the aisle.

So he's much like Bernie then? Bernie's ideas are all based on bizzarre fluffy pink logic and pseudo socialism. I used to be fine with Socialism - but I've seen what it's done to Europe over the last 30 years - so I'll go with Trump and assume he'll get the people in who can put his ideas into some meaningful arangement.

a reply to: DBCowboy
All of these people other than donald trump are doing the bidding of the illuminati and will start would war three and the anialation of America under the instructions of the illuminati. Their are sensible voices that say donald Trump can be talked out of starting world war three and exposing 911 for what it is cannot be a bad thing. Working with the chinese and the russians is absolutely essential if we are to keep this world in reasonable condition and not an irradiated mess
In saying that None of the present candidates is any good for america and none deserve to be president but it is a case of the least worst option and for me if i were american which i am not it would be donald Trump.
Hillary is a person of extremely questionable character Eg their are questions of a treasonable nature about bengazi
Bernie is a left wing nutcase and will ensure the bankruptcy of america
Cruz seems to me like an amagedon kind of christian ready to bring amagedon on Eg nuclear war anyone

a reply to: ipsedixit

You're 100% wrong.

if you believe that Trump supporters are simply imbeciles and morons, then you are seriously ignorant and uninformed yourself.

These are not uninformed voters. These are people who have been on the sidelines waiting for someone who isn't a "good ol' boy" to take the reigns.

Out of the absolute CLOWNS that are running, only Trump is an outsider. He's using his own money, he's not using "Super PACs" not allowing himself to be swayed, or steered in any direction he doesn't want.

Is he perfect? No way.
Is he wrong on things? Yes, are not we all?
Is he brash? Yes, and we need that.

To be honest, at this point, I'd vote for a wet paper towel over Hillary, Bernie, Ted, or John. All of them are bought and paid for, and NONE of them are good for America.

Trump supporters are well informed. So much so, they know who NOT to vote for.

a reply to: poncho1982

I think Trump supporters are magical thinkers. They think he is going to change everything in American government. This is a complete joke. What is he going to do, send "press gangs" into Dunkin' Donuts and KFC to round up people to restaff the civil service and the Republican Party and then freeze the assets of the transnational corporations so they won't be able to bribe the new "legislators" with lucky "roll up the rim" prizes and free lottery tickets? Talk about reinventing the wheel!?!

Trump is the Idiocracy candidate.

a reply to: ipsedixit

No, believing that any of the other elitist blow hards will do ANYTHING at all to change the status quo, or that they give two tissues full of snot about YOU or anyone else other than themselves, is the very definition of idiocy.

Taking a chance on someone outside the norm, is what we need.

Sure is shaking things up when people are prediction the death of BOTH parties after this disaster of a crop of failed politicians.

But, go on believing Trump is the problem, you know, because he's the one who got us into all this mess, not the two party system.

a reply to: poncho1982

I have to say, I don't dislike Donald Trump as a person and I disagree with Webster Tarpley that Trump is an incipient Hitler. His political style has disturbing resonances with the style of Hitler, but psychologically, I think Trump is a much softer personality. I don't think he was ever brutalized by a parent and certainly never by war. Hitler was, by both. Trump may have been a neglected child and that's not insignificant. In contrast to Hitler, Trump has had relatively healthy relationships with women. I like all of his women. Ivana Trump was really something special, I think, and Marla Maples seems, in bits I have seen on YouTube, to have matured and to be intelligent and sensible. Melania is more of an unknown quantity to me.

I think Trump listens to the women in his life and that is not to be underestimated.

Trump's children are paragons of good qualities when you compare them to what they could have been, think Saddam Hussein's boys. Of course they have had all kinds of advantages but their father has excited them about work, and they work, yes, in the family business and with huge resources available to them, but work is work and they work. If you judge Trump by his children, he's a stellar guy.

I don't think he realizes how light a touch at the wheel the President of the United States must have. With great power comes great responsibility. As we have seen, American policy can elevate or crush millions of people worldwide. Is Trump ready to deal with that responsibility, even if he gets people to help him implement policy in humane ways? I don't know but I think we are going to find out.

originally posted by: ipsedixit
a reply to: poncho1982

I have to say, I don't dislike Donald Trump as a person and I disagree with Webster Tarpley that Trump is an incipient Hitler. His political style has disturbing resonances with the style of Hitler, but psychologically, I think Trump is a much softer personality. I don't think he was ever brutalized by a parent and certainly never by war. Hitler was, by both. Trump may have been a neglected child and that's not insignificant. In contrast to Hitler, Trump has had relatively healthy relationships with women. I like all of his women. Ivana Trump was really something special, I think, and Marla Maples seems, in bits I have seen on YouTube, to have matured and to be intelligent and sensible. Melania is more of an unknown quantity to me.

I think Trump listens to the women in his life and that is not to be underestimated.

Trump's children are paragons of good qualities when you compare them to what they could have been, think Saddam Hussein's boys. Of course they have had all kinds of advantages but their father has excited them about work, and they work, yes, in the family business and with huge resources available to them, but work is work and they work. If you judge Trump by his children, he's a stellar guy.

I don't think he realizes how light a touch at the wheel the President of the United States must have. With great power comes great responsibility. As we have seen, American policy can elevate or crush millions of people worldwide. Is Trump ready to deal with that responsibility, even if he gets people to help him implement policy in humane ways? I don't know but I think we are going to find out.

There are no similarities at all between Trump and Hitler - style, substance, policies.. nothing at all.
The fact you are even making a comparison is simply crazy and leads me to believe you have been led by those with an interest in making this comparison for political purposes.

If you want a real comparison why not add up the numbers of dead - murdered at the hands of the Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and Hitler during WW2. Hitler still leads that disgusting race, but Hillary is closing fast. Eight years of her in office and she just might surpass the Austrian dictator.

a reply to: UKTruth

If you want a real comparison why not add up the numbers of dead - murdered at the hands of the Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and Hitler during WW2. Hitler still leads that disgusting race, but Hillary is closing fast. Eight years of her in office and she just might surpass the Austrian dictator.

I think the only way to properly counter such absurdity is to use your own words:

The fact you are even making a comparison is simply crazy and leads me to believe you have been led by those with an interest in making this comparison for political purposes.

I do so love it when people put their own foot in their mouths. The fact that it was done in one single post is even more hilarious.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

If you want a real comparison why not add up the numbers of dead - murdered at the hands of the Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and Hitler during WW2. Hitler still leads that disgusting race, but Hillary is closing fast. Eight years of her in office and she just might surpass the Austrian dictator.

I think the only way to properly counter such absurdity is to use your own words:

The fact you are even making a comparison is simply crazy and leads me to believe you have been led by those with an interest in making this comparison for political purposes.

I do so love it when people put their own foot in their mouths. The fact that it was done in one single post is even more hilarious.

You seem a little intense.
Definitely got under your skin it seems - not intentional on my part... Try to let go of it, you will feel better

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: UKTruth

If you want a real comparison why not add up the numbers of dead - murdered at the hands of the Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State and Hitler during WW2. Hitler still leads that disgusting race, but Hillary is closing fast. Eight years of her in office and she just might surpass the Austrian dictator.

I think the only way to properly counter such absurdity is to use your own words:

The fact you are even making a comparison is simply crazy and leads me to believe you have been led by those with an interest in making this comparison for political purposes.

I do so love it when people put their own foot in their mouths. The fact that it was done in one single post is even more hilarious.

You seem a little intense.
Definitely got under your skin it seems - not intentional on my part... Try to let go of it, you will feel better

Oh, don't be so arrogant. You may think you've gotten under my skin, but at this point it's light comedic entertainment.

You really have no clue, do you?