Anti Vaxxer passes whooping cough onto her baby

a reply to: haman10

So is the new aecellular vaccine.

So are the painkillers your field has been over prescribing along with a list of other drugs.


Maybe if the pharmaceutical companies were not hiring ghost writers and and skewing drug trial results people wouldn't be so skeptical.

a reply to: luthier

I've been called a muzzie terrorist, agent of Iranian govt, and several other things that i cannot remember right now cause i don't hold grudge.

I will add "pharmaceutical ghost writer" to the long list.

Nah mate. I live in Iran and i don't have any shared interest with pharmaceutical companies in your country. Pharmaceutical companies here are mostly government controled here so there is no sort of "gift" that companies give to doctors so that they prescribe their version of the drug.

I am trying to help you here mate. If you don't accept it its fine with me but i sure as hell don't let ignorance to threaten human lives. People are reading this thread and i wanna make sure they don't get the wrong idea.

Again if you have any sort of scientific and medical argument, bring it on.

I spent my whole life studying and i think i can handle a reasonable scientific argument.

a reply to: haman10

Um yeah. Go back and read my links. They are all scientific. Most from medical journals and the gov website.

I didn't call you a ghost writer. I linked both a gov study and an article from the guardian that has studied this.

I also 100 percent recommend vaccinations.


I just think the aecellular vaccine A wanes so fast it's inneffective at controlling pandamic and b the bacteria actually lives in the nostrils of mamals in all the studies with the innoculated animals.

m.livescience.com...
www.theguardian.com...
www.economist.com...
www.scientificamerican.com...

www.scientificamerican.com...
www.upi.com...
www.cdc.gov...

So you can see there is some reason to be cautious as to what our drs here are telling us.

a reply to: luthier

Dude your links have absolutely no value when it comes to scientific arguments. Economist and guardian are not science journals they are news sites for the love of God.

Bring me an article from NEJM and we can take it from there. This is one of the most respected journals in our line of work.

You see, journalists will write anything to make some money and they don't care about you and your health

Your doctor does

Vaccination has its own side effects. Heck even water has side effects if you consume too much of it.

But this is a question of possible cost Vs. Proven Benefits

Its 3 in the morning here. I'll explain more later

a reply to: haman10

If you clicked and read through the articles you would see the NEJM and the links to the studies Dude.

If you were more educated you would also not be using a genetic fallacy but rather argueing against the information.

originally posted by: haman10
a reply to: luthier

Dude your links have absolutely no value when it comes to scientific arguments. Economist and guardian are not science journals they are news sites for the love of God.

Bring me an article from NEJM and we can take it from there. This is one of the most respected journals in our line of work.

You see, journalists will write anything to make some money and they don't care about you and your health

Your doctor does

Vaccination has its own side effects. Heck even water has side effects if you consume too much of it.

But this is a question of possible cost Vs. Proven Benefits

Its 3 in the morning here. I'll explain more later

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

TextRecent studies have shown that immunity from the acellular vaccine wanes relatively quickly. In 2012, for instance, a New England Journal of Medicine study determined that children's odds of catching pertussis rose by 42 percent each year after receiving the final dose of DTaP, usually given between ages four and six, in the childhood vaccine series.
www.cdc.gov...

med.stanford.edu...

What other excuses for not reading can you come up with.

Sorry to be so harsh. .but people are dying from this.

a reply to: Phage

antibiotic = anti life

google problems with use, such as destroying gut bacteria (and all the issues w that) or increasing prevalence of superbugs in hospitals… etc…

they are putting cells and DNA derived from aborted fetuses into vaccines… so there is a moral issue… the science may work to some extent, but the practice is dubious… you want that plus heavy metals plus other substance that harm the lining of cell walls for your children??

and with more vaccines in the pipeline and profit motive, the agenda for force/coerce people to vaccinate is unjust and problematical.

Dr.Tent Exposes Vaccines & Aborted Fetal DNA
youtu.be...

Deadly Vaccines: Garth Nicolson, microbiologist
youtu.be...
MICROBIOLOGIST GARTH NICOLSON interview, President and Chief scientific officer of the Institute for Molecular Medicine, Huntington Beach, CA

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: riley
Sewers do not get any credit. If India had a decent water/sewer system the polio vaccine wouldn't have been as necessary.

Are you a doctor ? well i am . i'd be happy to discuss the consequences of avoiding vaccination

oh really..? Did you seriously just adjust a white coat collar?

I really don't care if you are a doctor. I could unzip and tell you my IQ however that is not really an accurate reflection on my true intellect (generally focuses on a particular set of attributes) anymore than your calling yourself a doctor proves you didn't cheat to pass your "exams". Please don't try pull rank on a conspiracy site.. I am hoping you do not do that to your "patients".

one thing for sure : if you deny science and mock it, you're actually being ignorant . you're not smart and certainly you're not "cool and open minded"

My IQ is rather big.. right now it feels like you are pointing at it. You seem scared of it though. Seriously lay off the attempt at thinly veiled attacks. It's annoying.

Whooping cough is actually a curable disease . lets talk about TORCH instead . lets talk about the consequences instead and thats HIE , Asphexia and brain damage to infants .

So babies who get brain damaged or die from diseases should be defended ..but those who get brain damage from vaccines are what.. they don't matter at all? Vaccine reaction can trigger the same symptoms. You should know this as a "doctor".

lets talk about a little boy who is unable to walk,talk or laugh cause his stupid parents decided to be "cool"

I'm sorry if i seem harsh . but this ignorance is starting to cost human lives .

No not at all. I expect nothing less from a doctor who exhibits signs of a god complex.

You even write like a doctor.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: Vector99

Trace amounts, if I recall, there's more mercury in a can of tuna.

Tuna causes autism?!

Do you inject a can of tuna into your bloodstream?

Am I the only one who finds the way she is holding her baby a bit weird, letting its head hang off to the side like that?


Something seems off about this whole story.

a reply to: Chadwickus

This is what happens when misguided fools parrot other misguided fools.

More than half of pregnant women in Australia do not get this vaccine. Are they all fools and do all their babies get whooping cough?

Here in the U.S., the CDC also recommends the whooping cough vaccine for pregnant women, “preferably during your 27th through 36th week, to give your baby the most protection when she is born.” And Gold Coast’s Public Health Staff Specialist Dr. Paul Van Buynder warns that while fewer than half of of all Australian mothers to be get the booster, “Every woman needs a pertussis vaccine booster every pregnancy.”

Ok...

But a health expert’s words don’t have the impact of those of an exhausted, distraught mother who has spent weeks fearing for her child’s life.

Exactly.


www.salon.com...

a reply to: Chadwickus

"It's just so hard to watch this tiny little thing ... go from red to blue, sometime they go a bit black, and for a moment you think they are dead in your hands, they flop."

They? Why does she refer to her baby in the plural?

a reply to: BrokedownChevy

Appreciate your detailed reply mate, cheers.

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: haman10
a reply to: luthier

Dude your links have absolutely no value when it comes to scientific arguments. Economist and guardian are not science journals they are news sites for the love of God.

Bring me an article from NEJM and we can take it from there. This is one of the most respected journals in our line of work.

You see, journalists will write anything to make some money and they don't care about you and your health

Your doctor does

Vaccination has its own side effects. Heck even water has side effects if you consume too much of it.

But this is a question of possible cost Vs. Proven Benefits

Its 3 in the morning here. I'll explain more later

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

TextRecent studies have shown that immunity from the acellular vaccine wanes relatively quickly. In 2012, for instance, a New England Journal of Medicine study determined that children's odds of catching pertussis rose by 42 percent each year after receiving the final dose of DTaP, usually given between ages four and six, in the childhood vaccine series.
www.cdc.gov...

med.stanford.edu...

What other excuses for not reading can you come up with.

Sorry to be so harsh. .but people are dying from this.

Look my friend, your quote from NEJM is about the efficacy of DTwP versus a new acellular version of the vaccine - DTap .

acellular versions are less likely to induce pertussis in kids in comparison to cellular versions . but they also provide less protection .

so whats the problem here ?

or you posted a CDC link about opium ? what does that have to do with discussion ?

originally posted by: riley

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: riley
Sewers do not get any credit. If India had a decent water/sewer system the polio vaccine wouldn't have been as necessary.

Are you a doctor ? well i am . i'd be happy to discuss the consequences of avoiding vaccination

oh really..? Did you seriously just adjust a white coat collar?

I really don't care if you are a doctor. I could unzip and tell you my IQ however that is not really an accurate reflection on my true intellect (generally focuses on a particular set of attributes) anymore than your calling yourself a doctor proves you didn't cheat to pass your "exams". Please don't try pull rank on a conspiracy site.. I am hoping you do not do that to your "patients".

one thing for sure : if you deny science and mock it, you're actually being ignorant . you're not smart and certainly you're not "cool and open minded"

My IQ is rather big.. right now it feels like you are pointing at it. You seem scared of it though. Seriously lay off the attempt at thinly veiled attacks. It's annoying.

Whooping cough is actually a curable disease . lets talk about TORCH instead . lets talk about the consequences instead and thats HIE , Asphexia and brain damage to infants .

So babies who get brain damaged or die from diseases should be defended ..but those who get brain damage from vaccines are what.. they don't matter at all? Vaccine reaction can trigger the same symptoms. You should know this as a "doctor".

lets talk about a little boy who is unable to walk,talk or laugh cause his stupid parents decided to be "cool"

I'm sorry if i seem harsh . but this ignorance is starting to cost human lives .

No not at all. I expect nothing less from a doctor who exhibits signs of a god complex.

You even write like a doctor.

You're attacking me instead of my argument . i don't know where you live that being a doctor is so intimidating that you suddenly showed some strange defense mechanism against me .

Here in my country being a doctor is the same as being an street cleaner or bank employee . they are all jobs nothing more than that .

I don't care about your IQ . i hope its very high and its working great for you .

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: haman10
a reply to: luthier

Dude your links have absolutely no value when it comes to scientific arguments. Economist and guardian are not science journals they are news sites for the love of God.

Bring me an article from NEJM and we can take it from there. This is one of the most respected journals in our line of work.

You see, journalists will write anything to make some money and they don't care about you and your health

Your doctor does

Vaccination has its own side effects. Heck even water has side effects if you consume too much of it.

But this is a question of possible cost Vs. Proven Benefits

Its 3 in the morning here. I'll explain more later

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

TextRecent studies have shown that immunity from the acellular vaccine wanes relatively quickly. In 2012, for instance, a New England Journal of Medicine study determined that children's odds of catching pertussis rose by 42 percent each year after receiving the final dose of DTaP, usually given between ages four and six, in the childhood vaccine series.
www.cdc.gov...

med.stanford.edu...

What other excuses for not reading can you come up with.

Sorry to be so harsh. .but people are dying from this.

Look my friend, your quote from NEJM is about the efficacy of DTwP versus a new acellular version of the vaccine - DTap .

acellular versions are less likely to induce pertussis in kids in comparison to cellular versions . but they also provide less protection .

so whats the problem here ?

or you posted a CDC link about opium ? what does that have to do with discussion ?

originally posted by: riley

originally posted by: haman10

originally posted by: riley
Sewers do not get any credit. If India had a decent water/sewer system the polio vaccine wouldn't have been as necessary.

Are you a doctor ? well i am . i'd be happy to discuss the consequences of avoiding vaccination

oh really..? Did you seriously just adjust a white coat collar?

I really don't care if you are a doctor. I could unzip and tell you my IQ however that is not really an accurate reflection on my true intellect (generally focuses on a particular set of attributes) anymore than your calling yourself a doctor proves you didn't cheat to pass your "exams". Please don't try pull rank on a conspiracy site.. I am hoping you do not do that to your "patients".

one thing for sure : if you deny science and mock it, you're actually being ignorant . you're not smart and certainly you're not "cool and open minded"

My IQ is rather big.. right now it feels like you are pointing at it. You seem scared of it though. Seriously lay off the attempt at thinly veiled attacks. It's annoying.

Whooping cough is actually a curable disease . lets talk about TORCH instead . lets talk about the consequences instead and thats HIE , Asphexia and brain damage to infants .

So babies who get brain damaged or die from diseases should be defended ..but those who get brain damage from vaccines are what.. they don't matter at all? Vaccine reaction can trigger the same symptoms. You should know this as a "doctor".

lets talk about a little boy who is unable to walk,talk or laugh cause his stupid parents decided to be "cool"

I'm sorry if i seem harsh . but this ignorance is starting to cost human lives .

No not at all. I expect nothing less from a doctor who exhibits signs of a god complex.

You even write like a doctor.

You're attacking me instead of my argument . i don't know where you live that being a doctor is so intimidating that you suddenly showed some strange defense mechanism against me .

Here in my country being a doctor is the same as being an street cleaner or bank employee . they are all jobs nothing more than that .

I don't care about your IQ . i hope its very high and its working great for you .

The point is you haven't followed, comprehended, or replied to arguement I made.

A.

Haven't said you shouldn't get vaccines. I said this vaccine is not working and epidemics are breaking out in the US because of it.

(Aren't you a Dr? The aecellular vaccine is less likely to give a child pertusis than the cellular vaccine? Glad you aren't my dr)

Clear as day this has been my arguement.

My second arguement
Was there is a reason people don't trust DR's anymore. They are responsible for the heroine epidemic in the country by over prescribing pain killers.

Part B to that was new studies have shown Half. Yes Half of the pharmaceutical drug trials have been purposely misleading. They left out information or out right fabricated the results. They have gone so far as to hire ghost writers for publications to promote fabricated studies.

These are actual peer reviewed studies. They are all either linked or easily found through the links you said were not studies. Yeah no kidding but I picked sources you can easily find the studies either through a link in the article or by googling the study and authors.

You have a serious listening and comprehension problem. You don't even know what your argueing against.

A study in 2005, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that one-third of all medical studies turn out to be wrong.

Even common existing treatments can be found useless years after they're widely accepted by the medical profession and the public. In 2007, scientists showed that honey works better than cough medicines in soothing children's coughs.

Another study this year revealed that conflicts of interest often taint medical studies. The research, detailed in the June 15 issue of the journal Cancer, found that 29 percent of cancer research published in high-profile journals had disclosed a conflict of interest. Those conflicts, moreover, seem to affect how studies were conducted. Research that had industry funding, for example, focused on treatment 62 percent of the time, while studies not funded by industry focused on treatment only 36 percent of the time.



This is just one excerpt. It gets even worse with recent studies.

This is why people are becoming skeptical of pharma and drs.