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originally posted by: UKTruth
The proposal could 'cause enormous damage to the Mexican economy' - erm, yes, that's the whole point. Is Obama really that stupid and weak?
originally posted by: gator2001
a reply to: Gryphon66
Um...yep, still you. Now, please stop responding to me. I do not wish to talk to you any longer.
originally posted by: introvert
Sure. Let Trump charge Mexico to build the wall. Assuming they actually pay-up and don't laugh at us for being idiots, all Mexico has to do is put a tax on exports to the US, including a tax on food and automobile parts, and they recoup the loss.
In the end, the US middle class is left paying the bill.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa
It's ass-backwards thinking.
First you stop hiring them, THEN if that doesn't go far enough you build a wall. They'll find ways over or under a wall as long as there's hope that someone will still pay them for work.
originally posted by: JAY1980
America has more leverage economically on Mexico than they have on us.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa
We're not using ANYTHING (let alone a big stick) right now.
Why jump the shark straight to big stick when we haven't even tried something else? We might just find that hiring legal people is enough.
Or, we might just find that entire economic sectors fail because they can't turn a profit without cheap labor.
These aren't exciting, glamorous or high-paying jobs. I seriously doubt you'd enjoy picking lettuce for 12 hours a day.
originally posted by: F4guy
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: xuenchen
Why should anyone in the US support another country's economy, when ours is in the pits?
One good reason is that we sell a lot more to Mexico than they sell to the US. $182 billion more to be exact. We sell more than a third of a trillion dollars of stuff to Mexico. The US Chamber of Commerce has found that 14 million US jobs depend on trade with Mexico. Those are very good reasons to not damage the Mexican economy just because you don't like brown skinned people.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Rocker2013
Hiring Americans inside of America would make it worse? Isn't that what conservatives want?
How about instead of forcing American companies to hire legal workers with a wall -- they penalize them or throw them in jail for hiring illegal, cheap labor?
So ... you don't like hearing what folks on the left have heard for years?
other posters, imagined political positions
I myself
Trying and failing to critique the word choices of others is just ... what's a word that might not offend you ... specious?
originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: yuppa
We're not using ANYTHING (let alone a big stick) right now.