Jesus said; Your faith has saved you

a reply to: Akragon
What Paul said is not the focus of this thread.

What Jesus said was that the woman had been "saved".
That has to mean being saved from something. In the absence of a physical ailment, he must be referring to her condition of sin.
And her faith, by his statement, was responsible for saving her from that.
This is all I need to establish.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
What Jesus said was that the woman had been "saved".
That has to mean being saved from something. In the absence of a physical ailment, he must be referring to her condition of sin.
And her faith, by his statement, was responsible for saving her from that.
This is all I need to establish.

The thing that she was saved from was the 'bad person' she believed herself to be. Where is the separate person?
There is only ever what is happening presently - life is happening. What is happening is all there is - but the mind lives in time - the separate me can only appear in visions of time. When and where do the visions of time appear? Here and now is the only 'place' that anything can appear to happen - including thoughts of 'me in time'. Thoughts report what 'I did in the past' and what 'I will do in the future'.
Only by coming to this moment of presence and staying with presence will 'you' be saved.
Really there is no 'separate you' - there is PRESENCE.

No man will ever see the face of God.
Until you realize that where you are looking from is God, you will look for him somewhere else, somewhere 'out there'. Somewhere else does not appear to exist and there is no 'in or out' - this is it right here and right now but the mind cannot see or hear the kingdom.

'We are looking for what is looking. ' St Francis of Asissi.
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live." Exodus 33:20

When 'you' are saved it is called 'Rapture' - 'you' are lifted away. Nothing actually dies though because the separate person never existed - it was just an illusion.

Here now is a link to the Index thread of my Galatians series, which is thematically related to this thread.

Galatians; Their faith had saved them

the only two times Jesus spoke "thy faith has saved thee." it was to two individuals.

When the preserved word of God uses "Thy" it is a individual and not applicable to all. Second, Christ had not gone to the cross yet. Which is important to the gospels.

When the preserved word of God uses the word you it is plural and could be applicable to anyone.

So today thy Faith on Christ finished work of the cross is what saves.

While the instances are historically accurate for those in the Narrative it is not applicable anyone today.

a reply to: Akragon

sin debt is not found in the Bible that is a term coined by godly well meaning men.

Only Paul speaks about Christ dying for sinners under the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Rom 5:6 ¶ For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
1Cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Only Paul speaks about Christ dying for sinners under the Gospel of the Grace of God.

that was my point actually

a reply to: ChesterJohn
Nevertheless I invite you to consider the fundamental unity of the trust which lies at the heart of this woman's attitude, and the attitude of faith described in the rest of the New Testament.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Faith plays a factor in healing, and in salvation.

However that particular verse is singularly applicable only to the one in the narrative, meaning that type of faith that saved her was limited to her and that time before the cross. the foundation of the Kingdom undert he gospel of the Kingdom was on Christ as their Messiah, so that faith would saved.

And the gospel of the grace of God faith is on Christ faith according to Paul. Just search you r bible program for His Faith and Christ's faith, or the faith of Christ.

Our faith we are saved by Grace eph 2:8

a reply to: DISRAELI
Good teaching DISRAELI -
Thanks for your time and input.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

However that particular verse is singularly applicable only to the one in the narrative, meaning that type of faith that saved her was limited to her and that time before the cross. the foundation of the Kingdom undert he gospel of the Kingdom was on Christ as their Messiah, so that faith would saved.

Good thought Chester but do you think it may lie in foreknowledge. That is if you believe Jesus had foreknowledge. Let's assume that he did have foreknowledge. Jesus had only about three years in His ministry and we don't really know how old this woman was. But could it be that Jesus died for her forgiveness before he died?

Let me explain. Jesus told this woman that her belief was her salvation but yet she had not died yet and had not experienced her salvation as yet. But Jesus knowing that He would be dead in a short time may have known that she would die after He died. Therefore He would have died for her salvation.

The same thing applies to you and I. By foreknowledge did Jesus know us? If so then by foreknowledge He died for us. Do you think that Jesus could have died also for the billions before His ministry? If it works in this future then why could it not have worked for the past?

originally posted by: Seede
a reply to: ChesterJohn

However that particular verse is singularly applicable only to the one in the narrative, meaning that type of faith that saved her was limited to her and that time before the cross. the foundation of the Kingdom undert he gospel of the Kingdom was on Christ as their Messiah, so that faith would saved.

Good thought Chester but do you think it may lie in foreknowledge. That is if you believe Jesus had foreknowledge. Let's assume that he did have foreknowledge. Jesus had only about three years in His ministry and we don't really know how old this woman was. But could it be that Jesus died for her forgiveness before he died?

He did

Let me explain. Jesus told this woman that her belief was her salvation but yet she had not died yet and had not experienced her salvation as yet. But Jesus knowing that He would be dead in a short time may have known that she would die after He died. Therefore He would have died for her salvation.

Yes but she will not get her salvation (grace) until the Judgement time.

The same thing applies to you and I. By foreknowledge did Jesus know us? If so then by foreknowledge He died for us. Do you think that Jesus could have died also for the billions before His ministry? If it works in this future then why could it not have worked for the past?

I have my salvation already according to Eph 1 because the Holy Ghost is the seal of my bodily redemption which will take place when we are gathered together with Jesus in the clouds evermore to be with him.

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This thread now has a sequel;

These little ones who believe in me