Is There a Real and Measurable Magnesium Conspiracy Affecting our Health?

a reply to: argentus

the causal factor is chemical fertiliser in 1954 every government in the world forced its farmers to start using this poison which is derived from the tailings that the nuclear industry cannot get the uranium out of, 85% uranium was left in the tailings this then goes towards making the fertiliser
in the scrubbers on the smokestacks the waste is collected that is not allowed to be emitted into the atmosphere because it was killing people they call this waste fluoride and then dump it into your water toothpaste medicine Teflon

this is genocide on a mass scale disease allegedly increased 4000% over the next 5 years once fertiliser was introduced into farming

fertiliser restricts the uptake of sulphur and boron by 95% and magnesium by up to 80% into the plants

a reply to: jinni73

Not challenging you, but if you could produce a link to substantiate what you said, I would really appreciate that.

Boron. Interesting element. We and plants need a scant bit of it, or we die. Too much and it acts as a poison and we die. An absolutely vital element to the physiology of plants and mammals alike.

Re: ZMA

Will definitely look into that and ask my doctor(s,) thanks for the suggestions to the numerous people herein who have mentioned it! Definitely could use more. I'm not deficient but yeesh. I can still feel feel it since changing diets.

Peace.

I dump a LB of Epsom salts in the jacuzzi once or twice a week burn out the motor biyearly. Replace them myself with the regular they charge through the roof for those bs specialty motors. Worth the investment.

a reply to: argentus

I don't think it's unreasonable, we've made it this far and the earth has probably changed quite a bit dramatically over the the years. I am a strong believer in humans having been around as long as science has suggested, hundreds of thousands or millions of years. Not only that, life itself has been around on earth for far longer. We are who we are today by a refined process that has gone on for millions of years based on the chaos of the way the world has turned out, outside of life's control itself.

a reply to: argentus

Being a nurse, I totally agree with your view that magnesium is a totally overlooked but super important mineral.

Magnesium performs many functions in the human body but it really has a lot of impact on the human heart.

S&F for an interesting thread!

*sorry

a reply to: soekvg

I don't disagree with anything you said; I imagine humans will survive in one form or another unless we render the Earth mostly uninhabitable. That doesn't mean, though, that there isn't a general nutritional compromise that we've been adapting to since the 50's. It doesn't take a lot of searching of the webs to see an increase in disease and "preventable" adverse physiological changes in the overall human system that at the least isn't at least fuelled by decreasing nutritional values.

Look at this thread alone........ people don't take nuttritional supplements because its fashionable. They take them because they realize a positive change for doing so.

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: argentus

the causal factor is chemical fertiliser in 1954 every government in the world forced its farmers to start using this poison which is derived from the tailings that the nuclear industry cannot get the uranium out of, 85% uranium was left in the tailings this then goes towards making the fertiliser
in the scrubbers on the smokestacks the waste is collected that is not allowed to be emitted into the atmosphere because it was killing people they call this waste fluoride and then dump it into your water toothpaste medicine Teflon

this is genocide on a mass scale disease allegedly increased 4000% over the next 5 years once fertiliser was introduced into farming

fertiliser restricts the uptake of sulphur and boron by 95% and magnesium by up to 80% into the plants

My sister lives among farmers, and the mental retardation rate of babies conceived by farmer wives is off the charts, many she lives by can also no longer have kids because their ovaries were fried by the fertilizer they're husbands are forced to use.
Not only is it sickeningly terrifying this stuff doesn't get reported because Big Ag and Big Pharma have deep pockets, it's the same crap millions are ingesting because they no longer know what real tomatoes taste like. Most people don't know the USDA raids 100% natural growers, farmers that don't use government poison. They'll literally come in and take your raw milk.

Real Life is #ing crazy and people have no clue, literally gaining all knowledge from journalists that don't even know themselves, and only taking the "official" word ... but people'd rather vote for a Hillary and Trump.

These are the same people, funded by these corporations, that pass # like this while everyone's concerned about hurt feeling and skin color. The same companies producing our vaccinations, lmfao!
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Reminds me of a trip to Egypt some years back...sat on that hotel toilet for what seemed like the entire holiday.

I hear you about the toilet paper too...ouch, makes me sore just remembering it!

a reply to: argentus

That doesn't mean, though, that there isn't a general nutritional compromise that we've been adapting to since the 50's. It doesn't take a lot of searching of the webs to see an increase in disease and "preventable" adverse physiological changes in the overall human system that at the least isn't at least fuelled by decreasing nutritional values.

Interesting that the post above from Jinni73 mentions the year 1954 and the introduction of chemical ferts, and there has been a general and measurable decine in nutrition since the 1950's...coincidence, or as you ask..a deliberate conspiracy to get more food out there, even if it's terrible quality and mostly nutritionally void?

originally posted by: jinni73
a reply to: argentus

the causal factor is chemical fertiliser in 1954 every government in the world forced its farmers to start using this poison which is derived from the tailings that the nuclear industry cannot get the uranium out of, 85% uranium was left in the tailings this then goes towards making the fertiliser
in the scrubbers on the smokestacks the waste is collected that is not allowed to be emitted into the atmosphere because it was killing people they call this waste fluoride and then dump it into your water toothpaste medicine Teflon

fertiliser restricts the uptake of sulphur and boron by 95% and magnesium by up to 80% into the plants

No, they do not make fertilizer out of uranium mine tailings. There isn't any uranium in fertilizer whatever, except the occasional stray atom.

Fluoride is also not made out of smokestack waste. It's the first ion of fluorine, which is an element. It isn't something you call waste just to change the name.

originally posted by: Flesh699
My sister lives among farmers, and the mental retardation rate of babies conceived by farmer wives is off the charts, many she lives by can also no longer have kids because their ovaries were fried by the fertilizer they're husbands are forced to use.

By what means would a farmer's WIFE be affected by what he's spreading on the fields?

I also would challenge the base assumption, are there stats on that?

Now, most farming practices do use a lot of chemicals. Pesticides, animal husbandry meds, herbicides. Some of those are pretty toxic.

Most people don't know the USDA raids 100% natural growers, farmers that don't use government poison. They'll literally come in and take your raw milk.

You don't use 'government poison' to pasteurize milk, though. Raw milk is ok if the producers are really heavily regulated. If not, it can be dangerous. I wouldn't pasteurize at home if I knew the cow. But I'd be suspicious of someone else's.

If you really want raw milk, move to the sticks and get a couple of goats. Problem solved.

a reply to: Bedlam

If you really want raw milk, move to the sticks and get a couple of goats. Problem solved.

Is that a viable option for millions of people though?

The farmers wife thing...perhaps...you know, she worked on the crops with her husband?

Lived nearby to the spraying, handled the ferts herself, ate the produce, drank the milk produced by cows that ate the produce fed by the chemicals?

Perhaps most farmers have wells for irrigation in those parts...perhaps the well water is being tainted by the ferts.

Plenty of possibilities, not all listed either.

The wife might not have been the one actually affected by the chemicals..maybe it was the farmer's sperm being screwed up instead?

There, there's another for ya!

originally posted by: MysterX
Is that a viable option for millions of people though?

The farmers wife thing...perhaps...you know, she worked on the crops with her husband?

Lived nearby to the spraying, handled the ferts herself, ate the produce, drank the milk produced by cows that ate the produce fed by the chemicals?

Or, it's bs, maybe. I know lots of farmers too. Was one. Might be again one day. And neither our family nor the neighbors ever had any problems. It would be interesting to see if there is ANY data that supports that. Most people don't want raw milk. You REALLY don't want raw factory farm milk. None for me, thanks.

Cancer, now, that's not that unusual. I was always REALLY careful with the stuff I was working with and around. Some of the animal husbandry stuff can be immediately lethal. Some pesticides, too, if you don't watch it.

Perhaps most farmers have wells for irrigation in those parts...perhaps the well water is being tainted by the ferts.

Plenty of possibilities, not all listed either.

Most test for that, we did.

a reply to: Bedlam

You know what...in all the years i've been coming to ATS (and i've been coming here a lot longer than my join date suggests..) and all the replies i've ever recieved from you (and there's been quite a few) that reply has to be the most civil and reasonable one yet.

Not a trace of sarcasm or arrogance, or outright piss taking.

So bedlam, here's another first...THANK YOU for your polite and informative reply.

Nice one.

a reply to: MysterX

I am sort of surprised a lot of them don't end up with Parkinson's or Alzheimer's after some cavalier handling of really neurotoxic pesticides.

We used to use some pretty brisk bug stuff on certain crops, it was respirator and neoprene time mixing it. Even dilute, it was pretty fierce. Toxaphene comes to mind. We had to use it one season, had to have a guy from the Ag Dept come out and supervise. It would actually numb your hands if you got some on. Worked really well, but it had too many side effects, really screwed up the field for years.

Back on topic, it doesn't cost an ungodly amount to find out your magnesium level. This month, only $30.

Or you can add on a wad of other basic blood labs at the same time and it's only $115 right now.

a reply to: argentus

In short, the soil itself has become depleted. It collectively needs to rest. When I was a kid, it was common and routine to plant “green manure” – often mustard or other quick-growing crops that were planted to be tilled into the soil to replenish the mineral content of the soil.

Crop rotation, yes. Planting alfalfa one year, then vegetables the next. On a small personal agro level, substituting turning compost under in the fall and then again in the spring before plating helps supplant this. Also growing your vegetables in different plots, rotating the garden as it were. Adding organic rich compost during the growing season also insures the plants are getting what they need, besides acting as mulch at the base of plants while it decays into the soil.

During the winter the bugs in the soil eat up the compost turned under and by spring time the nutrients and ph are replenished.

I only used organic compost as fertilizer, never needing to augment, healthy plants generate their own defenses against pests and blight, I never had a problem with bugs and my veggies were deeliceeus.

Spread four inches of compost in the fall and turn into the top soil, then another four inches in the spring. Additional handfuls tossed into basins at month or two intervals.

There is a small amount of magnesium in my multimineral tablet and I take a magnesium supplement about once a week if I am constipated. I also sometimes toss a little magnesium sulfate on the floor of the tub and put a half a handful on the shelf and use it on the washcloth before soaping up with a prewetting.

The epsom salts on the washcloth can take away constipation well, the skin is very good at taking it in. They put magnesium stearate in shampoo not instead of magnesium salts, it works like crap. Soaps do not seem to have good magnesium in them anymore either.

Most Americans have a magnesium deficiency, it has been that way for twenty years. When you are deficient, you have less energy and you have to hire people to do work on your house. Also, you don't have the energy to challenge the government. You need to eat more sweets which further deplete magnesium levels, soon you cannot utilize the energy in foods.

Coffee has some magnesium but the caffeine makes it so you need more so it can't build the levels. You are cold more with a deficiency, so you buy more clothes. Since magnesium deficiency makes you gain weight, you have to keep buying new clothes.

The magnesium deficiency fuels our economy and keeps us sickly and controlable or reliant on society and the government.

Most people also are deficient in Zinc. We used to get it from canned goods but now cans are lined with plastic which is full of endocrine disruptors which also keep us reliant on the medical trades. Zinc is also needed to metabolize sugar, if you are deficient you also need more and more flavor in your food which is good for fast food companies making you addicted to their products. Also a zinc deficiency will cause acne if you are deficient because all the zinc is being used to process sugar when you eat it. So a requirement for excessively spiced foods, acne, and feeling of cold can be contributee to a zinc deficiency.

Long term deficiencies can damage our cells and probably contribute to type two diabetes.

No conspiracy here, it is just that if they told us we need more magnesium because the food is deficient, we would spend less and less jobs would be created, people would lose their jobs.

We live in a world where deceit is coming at us from all sides, the medical trade is well aware of the mineral deficiencies but they look the other way because their jobs and the jobs of their coworkers are dependent on us being sick.

Too much magnesium is no good either, one hundred percent RDA is all that is needed usually, some comes from food. Copper, magnesium, and zinc are all competative for absorption and all are restricted by high calcium intake. Milk contributes to a deficiency and so do breads which are high in calcium.

A little epsom salts added to the garden does wonders, a cup will do a pretty good size garden.