Trump call to punish women for abortions

a reply to: UKTruth

I agree with you - I think Trump stumbled on this question, because it is more of a non-issue for him.

He has stated his views in the past, based on his personal experiences, but he has not made this part of his platform.
He has not said anything about changing anything, that I know of.
It seems to be a non-issue for him.

He has other priorities.
People are freaking out about nothing.

Here is something quite interesting from the latest YouGov polls on the National GOP voters.

Big lead for Trump AND leads by a country mile with women GOP voters. Something you won't hear the MSM go on about. In fact Trump was overwhelmingly the women's choice in mid March which should tell you exactly why there has been a concerted effort to attack him on women's issues over the past two weeks. The establishment masters attacking the strength in his base.

a reply to: UKTruth

Old women? I am one of the few over 65 who is a liberal.

a reply to: matafuchs

He just became a grandpa about a week ago his daughter had her baby. I'm sure that played in to the trap.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: UKTruth

Old women? I am one of the few over 65 who is a liberal.

Trumps margin of lead with women voters is so big I suspect it's across all women. It will be interesting to see the effect of the abortion gaff.

a reply to: UKTruth

How is it misogyny to answer a hypothetical question, based on abortion being illegal , to say that a woman should be punished for breaking the law?

It's misogynistic because it's Trump, and the GOP, that's calling for a ban on all elective abortion, and has been doing so for some time now. If Trump, and the GOP succeed, as planned, and elective abortion is made illegal across the USA, what should happen to the women who still seek to terminate their pregnancy? It's not so hypothetical if that's his platform while running for president.

The thing is, this is the National Republican Party's platform. Outlawing elective abortion is very much on their agenda!

Republican Party on Abortion

Party Platform:

Faithful to the "self-evident" truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children.

We must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions.
www.ontheissues.org...

GOP candidates: Ban abortion, no exceptions

a reply to: dragonridr

It happens. I have known quite a few people who have a kid or go through a situation like that an change. Why not? Changing on a moral issue to me is not as bad as a constant flop on issues for the highest bidder.

a reply to: UKTruth

Because if they say women are not voting for him then some will hear that and say me too. If they said he was polling well it would be different.

Trump is collapsing and it's a good thing. Republicans need to stop bringing "stupid" to the party. Abandon the racist, bigoted, xenophobic, anti-science conservatives -- they will ALWAYS be on the wrong side of history. So why align yourself with guaranteed losers? Rebuild the republican party with an honest effort to make the country better for everyone and uphold the ideals of the United States. Maybe consider moderate libertarian.... Or moderate anything. Give people of conscience who aren't hateful and selfish an actual alternative to the democratic ticket.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: UKTruth

Because if they say women are not voting for him then some will hear that and say me too. If they said he was polling well it would be different.

Exactly - I think some data analysts will realised a while ago how strong the support is for Trump amongst women. The past two weeks has been a coordinated effort to crack that base of support because without massive support for Hillary from women, she will lose to him. Much of what is happening right now is an effort by the establishment, GOP and DEM, to take Trump down because they are scared of him beating Hillary.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Trump is collapsing and it's a good thing. Republicans need to stop bringing "stupid" to the party. Abandon the racist, bigoted, xenophobic, anti-science conservatives -- they will ALWAYS be on the wrong side of history. So why align yourself with guaranteed losers? Rebuild the republican party with an honest effort to make the country better for everyone and uphold the ideals of the United States. Maybe consider moderate libertarian.... Or moderate anything. Give people of conscience who aren't hateful and selfish an actual alternative to the democratic ticket.

The media narrative is that he is collapsing but the latest national GOP polls show him getting stronger.

YouGov 48% , 19 points ahead of Cruz
NBC 48%, 21 points ahead of Cruz
Pew 41%, 9 points ahead of Cruz
CNN 47% , 16 points ahead of Cruz


The only one close is FOX, where Trump still has 41%.

His ceiling a month ago was supposed to be 35%.


The YouGov and NBC polls are from 3 days ago - we'll see if the 'abortion' comments make a difference. I doubt it because his strongest support with Republicans is from women.

a reply to: UKTruth


He's got a lot of rope and time to hang himself. He doesn't need the media to spin anything, just give him a mic and watch his Narcissistic Mental Disorder take himself down.

a reply to: UKTruth

Humanity always trends to the left/progressive.

We're more progressive than 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years ago. Conservatives always loose in time. Sometimes they slow things down to a near standstill for a while -- but eventually they can't stop things forever.

I think there is a bitterness about this inevitable, inescapable truth they know deep down in their guts -- they're the underdogs and they like that.

They know they're destined to always loose, and putting up a valiant fight in the face of inevitable loss appeals to a primitive sense of honor and bravery.

a reply to: UKTruth

Do you mean with republican women or all women voters? From March 31.

www.cnn.com...

Overall, 73% of female voters in a mid-March CNN/ORC poll said they had a negative view of Trump, just 26% view him positively. That unfavorable number is up 14 points in the last few months: from 59% in December and 67% in late February. Even Republican women, who mostly have favorable views of Trump, are more likely to report unfavorable opinions now than they were a few months ago, 39% unfavorable in March vs. 29% in December.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: UKTruth

Humanity always trends to the left/progressive.

We're more progressive than 10 years, 20 years, 50 years, 100 years, 500 years ago. Conservatives always loose in time. Sometimes they slow things down to a near standstill for a while -- but eventually they can't stop things forever.

I think there is a bitterness about this inevitable, inescapable truth they know deep down in their guts -- they're the underdogs and they like that.

They know they're destined to always loose, and putting up a valiant fight in the face of inevitable loss appeals to a primitive sense of honor and bravery.

Interesting take on things.

I see humanity and diversity, especially, regressing for decades - especially in the last decade.
Family structures destroyed and globalisation killing worldwide diversity of cultures.
Killing diversity and the family are actually hallmarks of progressives - which by its nature is regressive for humanity.

Perhaps in the future the human race is destined to be the same the world over and cultural structures destroyed in the name of progress. I rather hope not, but probably another thread.

a reply to: UKTruth

Not so much an 'interesting take'
as it is the simple truth. Conservatives inevitably lose every time. I'm honestly surprised that they still exist considering they're always on the wrong side of history. They are the hateful unevolved. The ones living in the past, always against equality, angry about social progress, devoid of empathy, and ruled by fear.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: UKTruth

Do you mean with republican women or all women voters? From March 31.

www.cnn.com...

Overall, 73% of female voters in a mid-March CNN/ORC poll said they had a negative view of Trump, just 26% view him positively. That unfavorable number is up 14 points in the last few months: from 59% in December and 67% in late February. Even Republican women, who mostly have favorable views of Trump, are more likely to report unfavorable opinions now than they were a few months ago, 39% unfavorable in March vs. 29% in December.

Republican women. He also has the highest favorable rating of all Republican candidates among Republican women.

If he wins the nomination you will find that non Republican women will start reading between the MSM lines a little more as they get more information. So far he has said and done nothing to even suggest that he is bad for women or has any anti women views - that will be shown once its down to 2. When compared to Hillary, for example, he is far more of a womans candidate.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

Not so much an 'interesting take'
as it is the simple truth. Conservatives inevitably lose every time. I'm honestly surprised that they still exist considering they're always on the wrong side of history. They are the hateful unevolved. The ones living in the past, always against equality, angry about social progress, devoid of empathy, and ruled by fear.

Lol - very amusing insight into your psyche. You sound like some Jim Jones disciple.

a reply to: UKTruth

Conservatives have NEVER been on the side of women, and Trump is not doing anything to change that.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

Conservatives have NEVER been on the side of women, and Trump is not doing anything to change that.

So the National Women's Party wasn't mostly conservative women then?
The truth, not the version of reality in your head, is that Equal Rights Amendment was actually written by Conservative women and it was the Republicans who were the first party to support it.
Never let actual history get in the way of an argument though, eh?
Keep going - it's interesting to hear...