Trump call to punish women for abortions

a reply to: dawnstar

Wow, I wasn't even looking at it from that perspective. I was addressing the scenario of bringing a baby into a bad situation and they themselves grow up so totally depressed about their environment, that they eventually commit suicide.

a reply to: seeker1963

For the woman? Tubes tied!

For the man? As long as he wasn't lied too vasectomy!

Do you have an age limit on your idea? A thirteen year old with no decent parent the same as a 39 year old? Should the kid have her tubes tied?

Shouldn't he assume he could be lied to? Should that not be his responsibility? I have an acquaintance who said he had a vasectomy in order to have sex with a Woman he met. How do you prove a lie? He said, She said?

originally posted by: dawnstar
there's a thread on ATS here:


“Vote Trump, Get Dumped” Campaign Asks Women to Stage a Sex Strike Against Misogyny

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I wonder if it will gather steam now that trump has brought up the idea of "punishing women for abortions"? in that thread I raise up the fact that although in the context of what it was originally for, well I could see this as being valid if the candidate was a strong supporter of anyone who was calling for stricter bans and legislation on abortion, along with all the attacks on birth control, since well, it's probably what many men would get if such legislation was passed a sorry, I don't want to become pregnant anytime soon, go entertain yourself in the bathroom! the days where women ended up having nine or ten kids during their reproductive years has been gone for so long that many don't realize that they ever existed, but well, I am afraid that women have gotten quite used to the freedom not having so many has given them and won't be so willing to give that freedom up!

but well, reading the reactions of many of the responses in this thread, along with a few other threads over the years... I have got to say that I believe that most people would not accept having their spouse come up one day and say that they have enough kids and therefore there will be no more sex in the marriage. many seem to feel that it would be grounds for divorce!

You don't even have to vote for Trump to stop having sex. Just be married for more than twenty years.

a reply to: CrazyWater

Trumps mother should be punished for not aborting him.

a reply to: TarzanBeta

I would rather the death of the whole country if it meant saving the helpless, beautiful, and innocent child that was unlucky enough to be placed in the womb of a murderer.

You speak of heaven and sound religious so this is even more ugly coming from you, the death of the whole country huh?
Judge not lest thou be judged. Remove the plank from your eye so you can see you are not so perfect as you think. I worry for your Children.

originally posted by: seeker1963
For the woman? Tubes tied!

For the man? As long as he wasn't lied too vasectomy!

So, you want government to take total control of our bodies and our medical decisions? Have you heard of the fourth amendment??? Maybe the government should remove the fingers of people who smoke pot, castrate rapists, and remove the vocal chords of protesters? It's amazing how the same people who say they want a "small government", personal responsibility and freedom would take HUGE actions against all three...

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So do you agree that abortions should also not be funded by tax payer money thinking along those same lines of keeping the government out? Just curious....

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: TheBulk

Yeah, it could be a frog or elephant.

This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty and down right ignorance that propels the "forced birth/anti-choice" crowd!

Which part is ignorant? Explain. You're the one pretending a growing human could be anything other than a human. I'm not religious and really don't even care about this issue. It's just infuriating to watch the utter intellectual dishonesty.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So do you agree that abortions should also not be funded by tax payer money thinking along those same lines of keeping the government out? Just curious....

That doesn't even relate.

Offering a free service of choice.

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: TheBulk

Yeah, it could be a frog or elephant.

This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty and down right ignorance that propels the "forced birth/anti-choice" crowd!

Which part is ignorant? Explain. You're the one pretending a growing human could be anything other than a human. I'm not religious and really don't even care about this issue. It's just infuriating to watch the utter intellectual dishonesty.

A potential anything is still just a potential anything.

A lump of cells that has the potential to be a human is not a human.

Spontaneous abortions happen frequently. Where the host body rejects it. Really no difference in rejection by spontaneous or choice.

a reply to: TarzanBeta

A human baby is a human baby! Chicks have been known to be born from store bought eggs after incubation! You're eating a baby chicken!

You don't seem to understand, IF you bought fertile eggs from a store you would have to incubate and care for and GROW the chick to get a LIFE (after refrigeration I doubt this) .

If you didn't do any of that you had just a fertile egg nOt a chick, just a tiny cell inside some protein liquid.

a reply to: TheBulk

You're the one pretending a growing human could be anything other than a human.

Birds and bees, baby!

A human man produces human sperm. A human woman woman is born with human eggs in her ovaries. When human sperm meets human egg, a fertilized human egg is produced.

A fertilized HUMAN egg is not a human baby. A human embryo is not a human baby. A human fetus is not a human baby.

a reply to: Annee

It does. If you want government out of it, why make government pay for it? I am not on either side. I am No-Choice but I think publicly funded abortions as birth control is an issue. Someone cannot put the dick down so I have to pay for abortions when that money could be used for good people and wellness visits....or anything else.

Abortion is private which is why i hate when it is brought up in politics. A lot more people than you think have had one. It is not your right to judge but support. Many times it is an experience that changes someone forever.

Most Republicans believe in the following:

Less government (what they really mean is more government, but to support their idealogical causes)
No sex education, which then leads to higher teen pregnancy rates.
No contraception for teens, which then again leads to higher pregnancy rates, and higher STD infections.
No abortions, so how does one deal with all the teen pregnancies caused by no sex education?
No funding for sexual health, so again how to deal with all the problems they have created with the steps above.
Lower taxes, so how does the nation pay for all the millions of new citizens?
Fewer social programs, for the many more people who now need it thanks to their ignorant policies.

If these people weren't so ideologically dangerous they would almost be funny to listen to.
Once again I find myself wondering how anyone with any intelligence could vote for any Republican. Then again, the words "Conservative thinking" together are kind of an oxymoron.

a reply to: matafuchs

If you want government out of it, why make government pay for it?

The government doesn't pay for abortions, except for rare exceptions, according to the Hyde Amendment. Who is trying to make the government pay for abortion? Where are the lobbies and protesters trying to repeal The Hyde Amendment?

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: Annee

It does. If you want government out of it, why make government pay for it? I am not on either side. I am No-Choice but I think publicly funded abortions as birth control is an issue. Someone cannot put the dick down so I have to pay for abortions when that money could be used for good people and wellness visits....or anything else.

Abortion is private which is why i hate when it is brought up in politics. A lot more people than you think have had one. It is not your right to judge but support. Many times it is an experience that changes someone forever.

How much more can you twist it?

There's government control, then there are free services of choice. (And don't go bonkers on tax payers. I paid for a war I didn't support).

I absolutely 100% support free government abortions by CHOICE.

That has nothing to do with FORCING reproductive rights.

originally posted by: matafuchs
It does. If you want government out of it, why make government pay for it? I am not on either side. I am No-Choice but I think publicly funded abortions as birth control is an issue. Someone cannot put the dick down so I have to pay for abortions when that money could be used for good people and wellness visits....or anything else.

These things do not happen in a vacuum.
Why do you think social welfare programs were created? Because some bleeding heart Liberals demanded it? No, it's because your whole society suffers.

Take a look back through history and get a good look at what our nations were like before we started giving a damn about each other. Take a look at the massive crime, the massive poverty, the massive unemployment, the massive spread of diseases...

When you remove abortion, you end up with hundreds of thousands of new people to take care of. So you claim you don't want to fund that, but you're happy to pay even more to support those people through the massive expansion of existing and new social programs?

The best thing (and what America should have been doing for decades) is force ADEQUATE sex education on all schools, ignoring the religious and the conservative ignoramuses who expect divine intervention of an imagined God to magically change reality.

What needs to happen is that all women, everywhere, get free and safe access to sexual health services, while kids are educated properly about sex from the right age.

You cannot do nothing about education and expect everything to change through just not giving people abortions, it's utterly stupid to believe that this is possible.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
Most Republicans believe in the following:

Less government (what they really mean is more government, but to support their idealogical causes)

Yes, I'm really sick of the Republican mantra of "less government", because it's really the complete opposite.

They'll only be happy when they have a Christian dictatorship and can create a squad of moral police.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Less government (what they really mean is more government, but to support their idealogical causes) No, less government. Spending is ridiculous and in the last 10 years has been unprecedented.

No sex education, which then leads to higher teen pregnancy rates. There should be mandatory with the film in 5th grade.

No contraception for teens, which then again leads to higher pregnancy rates, and higher STD infections. Teens should readily have access to contraception.

No abortions, so how does one deal with all the teen pregnancies caused by no sex education? I am not calling for not abortions.

No funding for sexual health, so again how to deal with all the problems they have created with the steps above? The government should provide moeny for education and PREVENTION of pregnancy, not correction of ignorance

Lower taxes, so how does the nation pay for all the millions of new citizens? Lowering taxes has always stimulated the economy. Do you think are taxes are fair now? It needs a simple overhaul.

Fewer social programs, for the many more people who now need it thanks to their ignorant policies. I also do not believe in this. Social programs are needed. There needs to be more oversight and stop corruption. It is there. Blatant. It hurts and takes away from those who need it.

So, since I am a registered Republican, why do I not agree? Because your statement is simple prejudice. I can say I do not understand how someone could vote for HIllary but I do not dare create a list because it is a stereotype that is used by the MSM to promote separation and draw party lines.

At that same time, I am for a strong military, want immigration reform and want you to stay away from my guns.

This election season is the first in a long time that there are 2 candidates that are not true establishment but have always wanted to be...and the sad part is they are both the ones their own parties are trying to kill....

a reply to: InTheLight


If God created a human life, It's not up to us to determine if it should live or die. That's my opinion, FWIW. "Lower" forms of life, sure...but not a human being.