Jesse Ventura just solidified my position AGAINST Bernie Sanders

a reply to: Flatfish

Changing congress would sure help.

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: theantediluvian

The problem is you can make the "It's important this time" every time. Nothing is ever going to change this way. You'll keep supporting the status quot with this logic, forever, they'll always win because your too afraid to fight back.

Neither party who's candidates are corporate owned have our best interests at heart. Democrat or Republican you vote either in we'll be paying for it long term. The only real choices is to vote against both parties, and try to get others to follow suit. Sure one party will win until we get enough support, but until we get enough, we all lose every election regaurdless of party.

well said. We need to stop acting like the lesser evil is a valid choice and stop pretending that putting a bandaid on a gun shot wound to the head is progress.

Both individual republicans and Democrats should temporary put their ideals to the side and join forces to fight both the DNC and the GOP, who have been screwing us all far to long.

No matter what position Bernie is in or how nice he sounds, he is a democratic socialist.
That kind of ideology is irreconcilable with the United States constitution and goes against the fundamental
fabric that defines the United States.

a reply to: interupt42

If only dreams could come true.

a reply to: JohnSmith77

No matter what position Bernie is in or how nice he sounds, he is a democratic socialist.
That kind of ideology is irreconcilable with the United States constitution and goes against the fundamental
fabric that defines the United States.

Incorrect.
It's no different than public schools and Medicaid and public libraries and First Responders/LEOs, Social Security, Social Services, infrastructure, etc - just BETTER.

It has nothing to do with the govt owning means of production, or taking over the grocery stores ----- or losing rights, or being imprisoned for dissent!!
stop falling for the fear-mongering.
It's not COMMUNISM. It's not even MARXISM.

Name some sources you are willing to LISTEN TO, and I'll find you some links to prove it.
If you can't be bothered to do that much, then you are spreading disinformation and lies.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Please read this post that I just wrote in another thread about Sanders, which replies to your post as well.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: JohnSmith77

You're still not listening. He is talking about raising taxes on CORPS and the WEALTHY - not us regular folks. The corruption in our government is staggering. Politicians and elections are BOUGHT, and the WEALTHY hoard their money rather than paying their fair share.

It is what it is.
I don't care where you're from. He's not going to raise taxes on the Middle Class - and if he does, it is OFFSET by the savings of NOT HAVING TO BUY INSURANCE. It's a net GAIN for middle class people of $5000. Do you not realize how insurance and health care here are a racket? Pharma? Citizens United? And the corporations won't have to pay employee insurance either!

originally posted by: Puppylove
a reply to: Flatfish

Do a write in, vote for another party vote for ANYTHING besides voting for someone you know is corrupt and supporting the corrupt two party system.

In other words.....just go ahead and throw away my vote on an unelectable candidate and give in to a Trump or Cruz presidency.

On top of that, I'm not even sure a write-in vote is possible where I live as we've gone to electronic voting across the board.

Again, No Thanks!!

a reply to: onequestion

I don't understand the conspiracy. Of course he will support Hillary over a republican.

a reply to: Irishhaf

No third party candidate is going to win a damn thing and voting for one is just throwing away your vote.

Furthermore, I don't want Trump or Cruz nominating future SCOTUS candidates and I think either one of them would be disastrous when coupled with our current congress.

Right now, I'm sticking with Bernie for the win.

a reply to: JohnSmith77

During a winding speech that lasted over an hour, Sanders praised Democratic presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson for wielding the power of the government to create jobs and lift Americans out of poverty. Actions to strengthen the social safety net were decried by conservatives at the time, Sanders said, but today make up “the fabric of our nation and the foundation of the middle class.”



After cataloging a litany of achievements that Sanders ascribed to Roosevelt in the aftermath of the Great Depression, the Vermont senator delivered the punchline: “By the way, almost everything he proposed was called ‘socialist.’”

Bernie Sanders Makes His Pitch for Socialism
That's from The Atlantic. Smart people's magazine. Read it.

a reply to: Flatfish

Your the kind of person handed a gun and a bullet and told either shoot this puppy or kitten, will shoot the puppy because your a cat person, not considering you could not shoot either, because even though shooting either is evil, you'll be damned if you waste your bullet and shooting the puppy is the lesser evil cause you like cats more anyway.

You and others like you, supporting those who commit sins against us all because you'd rather support evil than risk your bullet going to waste looking for a more worthy target are the reason our nation is a mess. You keep giving these people a free pass and supporting them anyway no matter how many times they screw us, because your under the delusion their other half is worse and they aren't working in tandem.

Well the more people that choose to not shoot the puppy and kitten, the less of both that die, instead shoot the people demanding you kill by backing those that are for adopting them instead, and influencing others to do the same. With time, with more and more people doing this, we can put a stop to the pet killing. But as long as people decide to kill kittens if a puppy person or puppies if a kitten person, the attrocities will never stop.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: JohnSmith77

You're still not listening. He is talking about raising taxes on CORPS and the WEALTHY - not us regular folks. The corruption in our government is staggering. Politicians and elections are BOUGHT, and the WEALTHY hoard their money rather than paying their fair share.

It is what it is.
I don't care where you're from. He's not going to raise taxes on the Middle Class - and if he does, it is OFFSET by the savings of NOT HAVING TO BUY INSURANCE. It's a net GAIN for middle class people of $5000. Do you not realize how insurance and health care here are a racket? Pharma? Citizens United? And the corporations won't have to pay employee insurance either!

And what makes you believe he has the capability to raise the taxes on corporations? He doesn't.
The simple fact is that in a democracy, corporations have the power to influence the government.
If what you said where true, most of the corporations would simply move overseas to avoid the higher taxes.
The same with rich people. They have houses in other countries where they can move to if the taxes are getting to high in the United States.

The only reliable taxable income source for the government is the middle class, because they don't have the capability to move oversea's.

Here in the Netherlands, which is a big fat welfare state, we actually have one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world, and one of the highest personal income taxes. Why? Because exactly of what I told you above. If you raise the taxes on corporations, they will not settle in your country. That will badly damage your economy.

Look, I'm fine if you want to pay more of your money to the government, in return for social programs.
Just don't expect them to work properly, because they don't. Not even here in the Netherlands,
where our welfare state is crumbling because of the same kind of policies that Bernie advocates for. We almost
have a million people now that are relying on welfare to survive. They get roughly 500 to 1500 euro's from the government, paid for by the other 6 million working members of society and our depleting gas reserves. And that number is rising rapidly.
I say that our welfare state will be gone within 20 years because it cannot go on this way.

I'm sure that your there's corruption amongst your government officials and the big corps and pharmaceutical. But here's a tip, don't expect the government to solve it, and especially don't expect big and enlargement of your current government to solve it, because that is what Bernie advocates.

The corporations already HAVE moved overseas, and taken our jobs with them.

I'm not going to argue with you. You are not an American, and have nothing invested in this situation. If enough people stand up against what's going on, then enough Congress people will be unseated as new blood comes in.
I applaud what Sanders is doing. Since it won't effect you at all, why not just sit back and watch?

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
The corporations already HAVE moved overseas, and taken our jobs with them.

I'm not going to argue with you. You are not an American, and have nothing invested in this situation. If enough people stand up against what's going on, then enough Congress people will be unseated as new blood comes in.
I applaud what Sanders is doing. Since it won't effect you at all, why not just sit back and watch?

Oh wow, American policy effects the whole world my friend, especially Western Europe. You don't seem to realize how big the influence really is. For instance, we rely almost exclusively on your military protection. That in return, allows us to spend little on our military, and much on our welfare state.

The policies of the next president of the US will probably effect Europe more then the US itself. (kidding, to a degree..)
That is also why the US elections, are followed by many in Europe.

The corporations already HAVE moved overseas, and taken our jobs with them.

If corporations are leaving the US, it is because the conditions are not favourable. Make the conditions favourable by lowering the taxes, and they'll come back, and so will the jobs. There is no other way.

a reply to: Flatfish

Voting for the same people over and over again hoping for change is wasting your vote..

Voting against someone rather than for someone you believe in is wasting your vote..

Not voting because you dont like your options is a wasted vote..

Voting for someone you believe in is never a wasted vote.

ETA: if your voting bernie because you believe great fine, I have no issue with that.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Dude, eat my ass.

If he endorses hillary thats it for me as far as endorsing him WITH AN OPEN MIND.
SOMETHING YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF.

And I said IF true.

You always want to argue like a jerk with me over your blind hatred of Trump.

Just stop and leave me alone.

Or I too can obsess over you.

I always have TWO options for an election. We have Two parties and I vote how ever I please

This election I have ALWAYS said I can live with a Bernie and Trump election. Besides his economic plan I like how he is going after free trade and is for immigration reform.

You are such a verbose jerk to people you dont agree with

HOW ABOUT, mind your own business. I pointed out similarities WHICH ARE TRUE for both, outlining why I support both.

Get a life.

If Trump wins I am riding you like the devil himself.

Hillary fan boy.

a reply to: theantediluvian

You cant make the distinction between the two party sham, seeing a contuniation of Bush via Obama?

You have the nerve to spread your pessimism and ignorance of what establishment politics and globalist agendas are while making a distinction between parties?...thats absurd when speaking of globalist ideals shared by all like Hillary. Shared by all except Trump that is.....He is hated by both parties and is against their initiatives.

Please. You dont have a leg to stand on with that argument.

You just ignored 8 YEARS of a terrible president just to hate on republicans.

Be careful what you post about Sanders on here, it will disappear and your account will freeze, oh but feel free to say anything you like about Trump. I like Sanders personally but its his snowflake supporters that are a huge turnoff for me. Trump all the way for me. Jessie is a good guy, I believe 99.9% of everything he says.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: onequestion

I don't understand the conspiracy. Of course he will support Hillary over a republican.

Not necessarily if he is truly genuine .

Ron Paul nor the majority of his supporters endorsed the GOP establishment puppet after he lost. His message and values were consistent and in sync.

I would expect the same consistency and integrity from Sanders and his supporters if they were genuine.