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originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: jkm1864
a reply to: ReadLeader
Do You realize that transgendered people are one of the number # 1 groups that commit suicide? The reason they end up committing suicide is because all the sickos tell them they will be happy when they finally get that evil penis chopped off and get a vagina. The reality is after the surgery they realize they screwed up and can't undo what they've done so they kill themselves due to depression. I'm pretty sure some of the depression is caused by society but getting Your penis chopped off is probably the major factor.
Excuse me but let me interject here. No depression usually sets in due to their "loved ones" abandoning them and or outright abusing them for what they are for one. Then you have society who thinks anything not their version of normal is wrong as well. Finding a job while TG is another reason due to bias and another factor.
And seriously? Oh im gonna kill myself cause i miss captain winky? You do know alot and i mena ALOT keep their penises. So your assumption(remember when you ASSUME you make a ASSume out of me and you)that they commit suicide for something so trivial is just wrong.
originally posted by: imjack
Actually the majority of SRS are not positive results. ..., the majority of SRS experience unsatisfactory results, including high drop-off in secondary and third procedures, high amount of health problems that arises that lead to ending of transition, and even then a good amount that generally were mistaken and attempt to reverse the procedure.
Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).
This study examined factors associated with satisfaction or regret following sex reassignment surgery (SRS) in 232 male-to-female transsexuals operated on between 1994 and 2000 by one surgeon using a consistent technique. Participants, all of whom were at least 1-year postoperative, completed a written questionnaire concerning their experiences and attitudes. Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives. None reported outright regret and only a few expressed even occasional regret.
Still a risk I'm going to take D:
I'll be the first to tell you, the fear of blood clots because I RARELY smoke on the drugs is scary enough on its own. Right off the bat the drugs can kill me before surgery even matters, and if I DID get a blood clot, no surgeon would ever consider me again in my life.
originally posted by: Freija
It may be attractive as an idea or fantasy but stick with being gender non-conforming or gender fluid because if you even do have gender dysphoria, it is obviously not intense enough to be more than annoying to you and not a matter of life or death as it is for many.
You have a pathetic approach to forcing your will on me. You say hateful things and put endless pressure on me until you get what you want. Changing your sex is a huge thing to do. You are going to be discriminated by many people in this world. It might not be fair but it is going to happen. You will have no meaningful job. You have significant health issues and now you insist on me giving you $10,000.00 so you can change your sexual orientation. This will only make the things I referenced above more difficult. I will not financially support this. If this does not suit you then like I have said before do whatever you want and I will do whatever I want.
If you EVER talk to me like you did today or ever say that you are going to hate me than you are on your own. You are 25 and act like a child when you do not get what you want. Frankly I am so sick of it that I really do not care. You have pushed me yet again to far and this time you will see that you have gone to far. I have had it. If there is anything in this you do not like.... TOUGH.
Transgender suicide rate is 41%. It's because of conversations like this. I've already been homeless. I don't feel you love me. It's pretty sound logic. You clearly dont, my life isn't even worth $8,600 to you.
Even if you argue you do, you're the biggest #ing idiot to continue this TOUGH love with the stakes I'll just kill myself instead.
My whole life is suffering so far. And I'll definitely kill myself before I'm ever homeless again. Your move.
If you want to hear anything from me again, other than the echos of you hanging up on my plees for help, you should do this.
If not you're dead to me.
My TSG doctor is one of the most renowned Doctors in Denver and in the field. She's not a quack. She's treated 1,200 transgender persons in her career. The main proof that exists is because they can MRI a baby and guess the brain sex, without seeing genitals. They do not do this because it makes parents angry to see a physically different baby than the prediction, because it is only looking at the brain, and the brain is not required to match, so the 'accuracy' was questioned. The doctors weren't incorrect in their tests, these are transgender children.
She cites the most common(main) cause of gender dyshporia involving Early and Late labor. Essentially if your mom goes into early labor, you have a higher chance for a female brain and if it is delayed, you have a higher chance of a male brain. This is not respective in anyway to the 50/50 chance you will physically be male or female. This science is very well credited by her, AND the scientific community.
In the event of my Birth, and your Birth, something very specific happened.
When first pregnant with me, Mom went into labor at 5 months pregnant. Obviously to avoid being born an undeveloped fetus, Mom was put on special emergency drugs that would prevent her from actually having me too soon, however she still was in labor for over a week in Hawaii without them and couldn't see her doctor until she returned.
In your case, she was forced to take these drugs at month 1, though 8, to avoid complications of an early labor happening at all.
It's scientificly UNDENIABLE that my case holds strong evidence for gender dyshporia. Because my first MRI in my life was post-puberty, and the brain is malleable to the Testosterone, an MRI then, or now isn't as accurate or conclusive as one when I was born would have been. If you ever have kids, you should MRI them.
You might not mean to be harsh but you sure are.
originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
a reply to: imjack
You might not mean to be harsh but you sure are.
I'm unsure as to whether or not I want the bottom surgery as Jack said there are a lot of complications and "could go wrongs" so for the sake of my overall health I may forgo that. Being outwardly feminine enough with breasts and a soft voice is enough to validate my identity to the world and when I find someone to love that I know loves me then the particulars of my plumbing won't even matter. Love transcends superficiallity.
originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: imjack
Let's not argue and at least find common ground that transgender people should be able to use the bathroom that matches who they are as people.
I would also like to know what you think about these lawmakers and Kansas? Is this fair? Is this something you would want to instill and your children's educational system? Let's hear it ATS.
Is this something you would want to instill and your children's educational system? Let's hear it ATS.
originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
a reply to: imjack
-- You might not mean to be harsh but you sure are.
I thought so too but I wasn't sure if I was just being sensitive. Sorry Freija no offense but you do come off as very Trans elitist.
That being said I will also say that I appreciate your wealth of knowledge and experience in this matter.
You seem like someone who really cares about this issue and us as people. I tell people all the time that some people's dysphoria is not as bad or extreme as others. That does not mean though that these people should be taken any less seriously or degraded and pushed aside by their own as not being "good", ""real" or "Trans" enough.
I'm unsure as to whether or not I want the bottom surgery as Jack said there are a lot of complications and "could go wrongs" so for the sake of my overall health I may forgo that. Being outwardly feminine enough with breasts and a soft voice is enough to validate my identity to the world and when I find someone to love that I know loves me then the particulars of my plumbing won't even matter. Love transcends superficiallity.
originally posted by: imjack
It's np, I read your posts all the time. I just never thought you'd call me out directly xD
As for being accurate, you know what Freija, the negative statistics might be a real blemish, but this prevents almost none of the true cases from trying.
The drugs can give you clots and potential heart attacks, and have been proven to make you more apt to Breast Cancer.
Source
"Breast cancer in transgender patients is rarely reported, and when it is, it is often in association with hormonal therapy and mentioned as a potential side effect of that therapy, particularly with estrogens," says LGBT Health Editor-in-Chief William Byne, MD, PhD, James J. Peters VA Medical Center, Bronx, NY and Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, New York, NY. "Cohorts of transgender and transsexual patients followed prospectively, however, have not led to the detection of an increased incidence relative to the general population.
Because you do not take HRT your whole life, the risk drops when you stop the drugs, because you only need to maintain the estrogen levels with blockers.
My name is Deborah Thomson, and I am the parent of a 9th grade transgender child in North Carolina. Last week, my son Skye and I spoke before the North Carolina Senate Legislative Committee in opposition to HB 2, North Carolina’s anti-LGBT bill.
Skye told his senators, “I have dealt with bullying my whole life, and now I have to worry about my state lawmakers bullying me because I am transgender.” He looked up at them and said, “I feel bullied by you guys.” Moments later, those same senators passed the nation’s most anti-trans law on the books. I want to make sure no other kid is bullied by their legislators.
I worry about the transgender youth in NC public schools, now that they can no longer safely use the bathroom of their gender identity. I worry about the young trans girls who started school as female in kindergarten and who now face humiliation and harassment because their public school is forced by law to “out” them and make them use the boys’ bathroom. I worry that this legislation will make our brilliant transgender children feel like they are second-class Americans because that’s how they’re being treated.
As Americans we stand for equality, not discrimination. I am so thankful that NCTE is fighting anti-trans bills across our great country. I am thankful they are fighting on behalf of my son, on behalf of every trans child in North Carolina, and on behalf of equality for all Americans.