Comments about Trump from former classmate at Military School

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Of course he's admitted that. I already stated that. And billionaires paying politicians is one of the major problems with the corruption/corporatocracy of the USA. Despicable. And somehow you think this dude pulling the strings for the elite through corruption is looking out for the common folk. As for the rest of this paragraph you wrote, I'm not sure where you are going... Trump has been personal (in-person) friends with the Clintons for years (not just seeing them on TV).

Ugh, it is again just painful to watch you, and these other Trump peddlers to make excuses for this guy, in ways that you would never excuse for other candidates.

As if Trump is saying things that appeal to the electorate. He, by any measure, is saying things that appeal to a narrow 'loud minority'. Terrible divisive things.

Trump has exposed that everyone cares only about the words Americans use, as if they reflected character and results, as opposed to the issues facing America today.

Those who most often cry foul deduce from tweets and quote mining, likely without looking away from their screens, while those who have met and know him personally say only good things. I know who gets my benefit of the doubt.

a reply to: okrian

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That was exactly my point about seeing someone on TV compared to meeting them in real life.

How on earth could anyone support trump

He assaulted his wife at the time Ivana pulling out clumps of her hair,he's a wife beater!

You honestly support a man who did this?

Trump used to support the Democratic party. Now he is basically as far right as they come. I read his policies and have reviewed his past stances. Trump will have my vote if Bernie doesn't get the nomination. It scares the living crap out of me, but I won't vote for Hillary regardless of the situation. I know she won't do # for nobody but herself.

a reply to: FullBloodedNative

Trump is not against immigration. He is against "illegal" immigration.
If you don't understand the reason and don't understand how illegal immigration is harming our economy and our country, then you have not been paying attention.

Just one last comment on the accusations and examples of changes made by Donald Trump.

Never once in the OP did the author mention anything about Trumps politics. He was speaking to character only.

As for his changing political views, so what? Anyone who has held to same view/understanding about everything all their life has failed to learn and grow. I actually embrace a person who is able to change their mind when new evidence or greater understanding come along.

See my sig.

a reply to: liveandlearn

Good sig! I too will change my mind when enough evidence is presented.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Thank you. Makes me feel validated at least by one. Best wishes

People don't really change much from the ages of 17 and 18...

Donald..would never lie....

#1. most people i knew in highschool are very different people now than they were then, for me that was just 13-14 years ago, i imagine a persons character could change a few times with more age and experience.

#2. according to winner of the Pulitzer prize, politifact, just 3% of what falls out of Donalds mouth can safely be considered "true".

In fact, here are the current stats on the donald at the time of this reply.

True 3%
Mostly True 6%
Half True 15%
Mostly False 16%
False 42%
Pants on Fire 19%

"I love the poorly educated!" -The Donald

a reply to: LordSnow21

Noting something - you and others keep "quoting" that statement at the bottom of your post above, while taking it completely out of context.

When Trump won in Nevada, he said:
"We won with young. We won with old. We won with highly educated. We won with poorly educated. I love the poorly educated. We’re the smartest people, we’re the most loyal people, and you know what I’m happy about? Because I’ve been saying it for a long time. 46% were the Hispanics—46%, number one with Hispanics. I’m really happy about that.

So I’m very proud of you, this is an amazing night. I love the country, I love the country.
"

So, seriously, you take a few words out of that, and this is what you roll with?
Trump is always saying that he loves everyone. He is always inclusive. It's the way he talks.
In Nevada he won in almost every demographic, and he went on and on about how he loves them all and thanks them all.

As it says here:

Trump "loves" the poorly educated without qualification, just as he loves the rich and the poor, the naked and the clothed, the fat and the skinny. Last night in Vegas, he was channeling Ralph Waldo Emerson and Walt Whitman and the universal oversoul of the American family. As long as you vote for him, it's all good. He will look out for you and your interests. He's happy that he won the Hispanic vote, because it proves that we're all on the same side—his side—and we're all in it together.

...
We can work things out, make a good deal for everyone, trust me. Even the poorly educated! When was the last time that an American politician acknowledged the poorly educated as something other than a tumor on the body politic that needs to be eradicated, much less thanked them?

reason.com... shou


ETA: I guess the reason this has been taken out of context so often is because so many people's attention span is reduced to 140 characters in their Twitter-universe.

a reply to: BlueAjah

Who could support a guy who only tells you the whole truth 3% of the time? I stand by my statement.

Just curious, that accurate quote was just the icing on the cake meant to highlight why I think its possible for so many to believe an obvious serial liar, why not instead address the substance of my reply? Do you believe that people don't change? Do you dissagree with politifacts stats?, if so, please show me where they screwed up.

a reply to: LordSnow21

About PolitiFact Bias/FAQ

You may want to look into this a bit:

PolitiFact Bias exists to expose the defective fact checking apparatus at PolitiFact, with special focus on the problems that help show PolitiFact's marked ideological bias.

Why PolitiFact's Numbers Don't Add Up

The reality is that a collection of PolitiFact's ratings provides far more information about the ideological bias of PolitiFact's editors than it does about the people they check.

oh and ETA:
Reader confusion on PolitiFact's Trump report card?

Reader confusion on PolitiFact's Trump report card? We have it from PolitiFact editor Angie Drobnic Holan that not much reader confusion exists about PolitiFact's candidate and network report cards. Readers supposedly know the report cards do not represent a scientific attempt to gauge the truthfulness of candidates. We find Holan's claim laughable. We often see PolitiFact's readers expressing their confusion on FaceBook. The Donald Trump presidential candidacy, predictably accompanied by PolitiFact highlighting Trump's PolitiFact "report card" offers us yet anther opportunity to survey the effects of PolitiFact's deception.

etc....

a reply to: BlueAjah

No, seriously, they take a statement and measure the amount of truth by doing their homework, we call it fact checking. Fact checking is important. Less educated individuals are less likely to have the volume of knowledge and critical thinking skills that make identifying BS easier. Instead of spouting off about some bias, I'd like you to point out specifically which trump statements politifact was wrong about. Please prove to me that they're wrong with specific facts about the statements themselves, trumps own words which were deemed false. .

a reply to: LordSnow21

If you look at the link in my post above, they show specific examples of the fallacies and bias in specific "results", on Trump's and on MANY other results that this site claims to be factual.
Their "fact checking" is extremely flawed and biased. In other words, WRONG, not to be trusted, and not to be used in legitimate discussions.

(Deny Ignorance)

ETA: And did you notice the statement above from the editor of that site you are quoting "Readers supposedly know the report cards do not represent a scientific attempt to gauge the truthfulness of candidates. "

a reply to: BlueAjah

When I click your link it says that page of your blog dosn't exist. Just curious, has this blog earned a Pulitzer? Again, I'd be happy to reconsider my position if you can dissect trumps own specific statements which were deemed false by politifact and prove why they were in fact correct.

a reply to: LordSnow21

Links are fixed! This forum seems to cut off long URLs for some reason.

I don't need to dissect the politifact results. That site I linked above does that.

If you want to use invalid stats, and quote them all over in spite of knowing that they are biased, and that the editor of politifact herself says they are not "scientific", then go ahead.
But - don't expect other people to take you seriously.

a reply to: LordSnow21

If you need some more:
Who’s Checking the Fact Checkers?

How Stupid Happens

Politifact Has a Serious Liberal Bias Problem

I could go on and on, or you could do some of your own checking if you would like

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: LordSnow21

If you want to use invalid stats, and quote them all over in spite of knowing that they are biased, and that the editor of politifact herself says they are not "scientific", then go ahead.
But - don't expect other people to take you seriously.

We're not talking about science, you're deflecting. Were talking about a number of specific statements with varying levels of untruth. For example: "the new york times can write a story that they know is false" yet "they can't basically be sued" -trump. politifact ranked this as false because "that's the very definition of a winnable libel case"-politifact.

You can cry bias and unscientific all day long but from where I'm sitting it looks a lot like plugging your ears.

We like Donald Trump here in SC. We are tired of socialism. We are tired of zero positive changes for the working people who are paying for all of it. The rich and the poor like socialism. It works for them to stick it to the working class people.
The last eight years have been hell for us and we had jobs. The price increases and shrinking of products while trying to raise a family were a nightmare.
There is a site on the web where you plug in your salary for each candidate to see what taxes you'll get back or pay in. Bernie Sanders will suck us all dry so we will never have a vacation away anywhere again in life. We are paying for college for a child. So every holiday and vacation is Chinese food in front of the cable TV. LOL. Giving away free college educations while the rest of us toiled to earn it, does not sit well with anyone who has earned it themselves. The lazy socialists have filled the roadsides with their trash. I mean who does that rolls down a window and throws their garbage out the window thinking someone else will clean up after them?

Our society is a mess. Look at Yahoo news stories..... unbelievable behavioral trash and sin going on. The Muslims and North Koreans are violent, childish, irresponsible, lazy, rude, awful people. I have also lost all faith in the media. CNN is such a rude joke. The media is terribly biased by the people that own them and employ the reporter workers. I am tired of everyone taking advantage, there is no hope and goodwill anymore. Things do need fixed. No more free rides people. Pick up your own trash.