UFO hunters find ‘gateway for alien megastructure’ on sun’s surface (Photo)

originally posted by: 3n19m470
Yeah. The aliens use a door in the Sun that operates just like an ordinary door with hinges. They had to open it just enough to let out the mothership. They didn't really need a door that big. They could've just used a door 100,000x smaller and opened it all the way back on its hinges, but no, they said "F it, we're aliens! Lets build a gigantic door and just open it a tiny bit." unless... There's one gigantic DaddyShip waiting to come out, for which they will swing that door wide open! You think the mother ship is big, well just wait until you see this one. You're gonna be like "oh Damn... Sh just got real!"

It's YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

SOHO/LASCO produces great science, however it produces thousands of video artifacts like this, due to it's image processing.
The upload history of these types of images probably are responsible for terrabytes of ATS storage. Deleting them could probably save so much money that could be turned into new servers!

originally posted by: MysterX

If we can achieve this temperature on Earth, and are able to contain it...i'm sure an ET with perhaps millions of years extra tinkering time can do so as well.

Temperature and heat: not the same.

a reply to: charlyv

You're such a buzzkill.



...and the UFO folks wonder why there are skeptics who will never, ever, believe 'em.

Fortunately, not all of them are like this clown who forwarded this claim...

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: MysterX

If we can achieve this temperature on Earth, and are able to contain it...i'm sure an ET with perhaps millions of years extra tinkering time can do so as well.

Temperature and heat: not the same.

Semantics.

Or are you actually going to say that a 'temperature' of 5.5 BILLION degrees Centigrade is not 'hot'...seriously?

originally posted by: MysterX

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: MysterX

If we can achieve this temperature on Earth, and are able to contain it...i'm sure an ET with perhaps millions of years extra tinkering time can do so as well.

Temperature and heat: not the same.

Semantics.

Or are you actually going to say that a 'temperature' of 5.5 BILLION degrees Centigrade is not 'hot'...seriously?

Not semantics at all. They're different units.

A single particle with a temperature of whatever has very little heat.

Even a Tokamak full of particles at hundreds of thousands of degrees K don't have enough heat to melt the thing. Because the density is low.

That's not the case in the Sun.

When you realize that temperature and heat are very different, you'll understand why there's a difference between something inside the Sun and a particle from the LHC.

Which has more heat, a white hot needle, or a tub full of cool water?

a reply to: Bedlam

Then you're wrong...you're not saying this is a case of temperature Vs heat at all...what you quipped is less about temperature or heat, and more about quantities of how much or how little there actually is of the thing being discussed that's extremely HOT...if there's an absolutely tiny amount of a very hot thing, say billions of degrees Centigrade, then it has less overall thermal energy to transfer than a huge amount of something much cooler...in total.

OK...i would have thought that much was obvious to anyone reading...since an egg cup of boiling water has less overall thermal energy than an ocean of luke warm water has, despite having a higher temperature / more heat per Ml of water.

Let's assume that we both comprehend that principle...

Temperature, as a definition, can mean any measurable change or deviance between heat and cold...so of course, temperature does not mean the same thing as 'heat', since temperature can also be absolute zero, or +Billions of degrees Centigrade and everywhere between. Unsurprisingly, I didn't need a lesson on that distinction...if i did, i'd have got help from my 7 year old Son.

We have created temperatures of 5.5 Billion degrees centigrade, which is 100,000 hotter than the centre of the Sun...this is fact, which i wrote. 5.5 Billion degrees centigrade is HOT, and HOT means heat, heat that has to be magnetically contained before damage to sensitive equipment can occur.

Even the comparitively low heat of 20 - 30 Million degrees Centigrade produced by a Tokamak is still hotter than the Sun, and will absolutely destroy the equipment producing it, if it did not have efficient means of containing the extremely HOT plasma it works with, however brief the operation of the device itself..or else it's a bit of a waste or time, money and research resources to actually use the shielding / magnetic constriction equipment on a Tokamak if it were not required to protect the assembly from the HEAT produced by it...agreed?

In case you have any doubt that 20 - 30 million degrees centigrade is HOT or not...

Magnetic fields are used for confinement since no solid material could withstand the extremely high temperature of the plasma.

Tokamak Wiki

Or

The temperature at our Sun's surface is 6,000°C, and at its core—15 million°C. Temperature combines with density in our Sun's core to create the conditions necessary for the fusion reaction to occur. The gravitational forces of our stars can not be recreated here on Earth, and much higher temperatures are necessary in the laboratory to compensate. In the ITER Tokamak, temperatures will reach 150 million°C—or ten times the temperature at the core of our Sun.

ITER ORG

These pages seem to know about temperature and heat...don't they.


You forgot about my hypothetical ET, who has millions of years more tinkering time than us.

The point was, if we at our level of technology can create, sustain and shield temperatures and measurable levels of heat that are hotter than those in our parent star, for however briefly a period of time, assuming a linear development process a million years into our future we would probably have developed technologies that would enable us to physically stand inside a Tokamak or future equivalent, without being harmed, speculation of course, as unsurprisingly, i don't actually own a time machine to go and find out for certain...that was the point being made, not a debate on whether or not billions of degrees Centigrade can be or are sustained for billions of years or fractions of a second, but that they are being created and tolerated by our current equipment.

I didn't claim we created hotter temperatures and can sustain those temperatures over billions of years or scale it up to the size of our Star mate.

I was pointing out that while the poster was amazed that a hypothetical ET could withstand the temperatures of the Sun, we have created temperatures hotter...and that what is considered a hell hole of a planet, the nearest planet to the very hot Sun, only a relative stone's throw away essentially, harbours some of the coldest or lowest temperatures ever recorded by Humanity...if a blistered and boiling ball of rock can be boiled, melted and be what most people would associate with a mental image of hell, only a spit away from the Star the poster was using to convey his or her incredulity for the bit-o-fun hypothesis being flirted with in this thread, yet hold some of the lowest temperatures or the coldest levels ever measured in our Solar System...a million years hence ET should have not much of a problem with very high temperatures, or with very low ones.

Hopefully, i've made myself clear...although frankly if not, and i apologise in advance if this is the case, i don't intend to go into lengthy and ultimately unconstructive posts in order to debate what IS essentially semantics concerning what is just a frivilous and bit of fun thread once again.

Have a nice day.

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Bedlam

Then you're wrong...you're not saying this is a case of temperature Vs heat at all...what you quipped is less about temperature or heat, and more about quantities of how much or how little there actually is of the thing being discussed that's extremely HOT...if there's an absolutely tiny amount of a very hot thing, say billions of degrees Centigrade, then it has less overall thermal energy to transfer than a huge amount of something much cooler...in total.

Heat IS thermal energy. You're confusing hot with heat when you talk about single particles in the LHC being destructive.

We have created temperatures of 5.5 Billion degrees centigrade, which is 100,000 hotter than the centre of the Sun...this is fact, which i wrote. 5.5 Billion degrees centigrade is HOT, and HOT means heat, heat that has to be magnetically contained before damage to sensitive equipment can occur.

You say you understand the difference, then back to this. Hot does NOT mean heat. Heat is the total quantity of thermal energy. The few particles in a LHC collision are hot but do not have much heat.

The LHC's particle detectors are not 'magnetically contained'. The whole point there is to detect them.

A tokamak's insides are, to keep the plasma from touching the sides. That's as much to maintain the temperature of the plasma as to keep the walls from melting, although the plasma is dense enough in a tokamak to cause damage as well as extinguishing itself.

Consider - where does the thermal energy of the fusion go? Right. Through the magnetic fields as IR, what isn't carried away through the magnetic fields as fast neutrons, which is most of it. It's the point of the thing, after all. Which is why they use liquid walls for the most part.

originally posted by: MysterX
I was pointing out that while the poster was amazed that a hypothetical ET could withstand the temperatures of the Sun, we have created temperatures hotter...and that what is considered a hell hole of a planet, the nearest planet to the very hot Sun, only a relative stone's throw away essentially, harbours some of the coldest or lowest temperatures ever recorded by Humanity...if a blistered and boiling ball of rock can be boiled, melted and be what most people would associate with a mental image of hell, only a spit away from the Star the poster was using to convey his or her incredulity for the bit-o-fun hypothesis being flirted with in this thread, yet hold some of the lowest temperatures or the coldest levels ever measured in our Solar System...a million years hence ET should have not much of a problem with very high temperatures, or with very low ones.

Yet the LHC easily withstands the hot but relatively low heat of the collision, because there's not much heat. WE don't have much of a problem with very high temperatures, as long as the total heat content is low. Hell, the faceplate of your old CRT was being hit with electrons having temperatures up in the millions C. Which is why you can do fusion with a Farnsworth Fusor. Still, although the temperature was very very high, you didn't melt the glass because the heat was not.

Inside the Sun, it's a different story, because you've both got a massive isothermal environment AND highly energetic particles.

It's a bad comparison, which is what I was pointing out.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011
The Rand Corporation....in conjunction with the Saucer People...and under the direct supervision of the reverse vampires....are forcing our parents to go to bed early...in a fiendish plot to eliminate dinnertime...We're through the looking glass on this, people...

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: charlyv

You're such a buzzkill.

...and the UFO folks wonder why there are skeptics who will never, ever, believe 'em.

Fortunately, not all of them are like this clown who forwarded this claim...

And right you are.
There is great evidence out there we are not alone, but sungrazing, million mile wide spaceships belong in the same genre as flat earth and the fake moon landings.

The only UFO phenomena that can be taken seriously, are those that have a root in scientific possibility, and that is just to get a foot in the door.

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011
The theory that this event captured on SOHO's camera makes me ask....is this a glitch in the system, or is this triangular shape spotted over the sun real? And those "objects" within the open slip actual motherships?

A serious issue Sir; Those are not SOHO images.

If, by some slim chance, they are derived from SOHO, I afraid I will need satellite, sensor, and datetime stamps.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that is the North Korean sun base built by Kim Jon Un astronauts.

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Why does anybody believe crap from sites like that ( not saying you do)

does anyone remember the good old days a half-decade or so ago when we didn't have to wait for Mr Waring, we had members here who'd bring a new one of these around every few weeks? Gosh it was adorable, whatever happened to those days?

anyway my housemate showed me when this crossed her [far more legitimate than mine own] newsfeed a few days ago and i'm really lucky because she showed me out of amusement rather than a spirit of sharing real news but even so there was a moment where i felt like it was time to reach for the Big Ol Book of Cosmic Strikes once more. Good to finally see it here, a little saddened that we all seem so much older and wiser and no one is champing at the bit over it anymore.

i'll just keep telling myself, there will be other megastructures.

a reply to: MysterX

It's bizarre because it's no such thing as aliens and alien space ships,that triangle is just a floating portal of some type if not the eye of God.
Its really funny how mortals on this earth look at these fable aliens as if they are god or have these super powers and super intelligent...amusing!

originally posted by: ImmortalLegend527
a reply to: MysterX

It's bizarre because it's no such thing as aliens and alien space ships,that triangle is just a floating portal of some type if not the eye of God.
Its really funny how mortals on this earth look at these fable aliens as if they are god or have these super powers and super intelligent...amusing!

No...what is bizarre is the denial of the existence of extraterrestrials.

There is ample scientific evidence to conclude with 100% assurance that Extraterrestrials definitely exist.
Using some of that same science I can show you three home worlds, 3 species...course now, you will have to understand that they're not gods, just people from another world...

What makes you believe there are any "mortals" on Earth? We are all spiritual beings enjoying a physical moment, our essence is still spiritual, and thus immortal...

If you would like to meet some "aliens" try this: www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: Skywatcher2011
The Rand Corporation....in conjunction with the Saucer People...and under the direct supervision of the reverse vampires....are forcing our parents to go to bed early...in a fiendish plot to eliminate dinnertime...We're through the looking glass on this, people...

originally posted by: [post=20523105]tanka418[/post
No...what is bizarre is the denial of the existence of extraterrestrials.

I haven't seen anybody denying extraterrestrial life exists.

There is ample scientific evidence to conclude with 100% assurance that Extraterrestrials definitely exist.

There most certainly is not. There are strong indications that lead us to believe that life exists elsewhere in the cosmos, but there is nothing; Not one single bit of scientific evidence proving such.

Using some of that same science...

You haven't presented any legitimate science.

...I can show you three home worlds, 3 species...course now, you will have to understand that they're not gods, just people from another world...

This is science-fiction, not science.

What makes you believe there are any "mortals" on Earth?

Everything that has ever lived on Earth.

We are all spiritual beings enjoying a physical moment, our essence is still spiritual, and thus immortal...

This is the exact opposite of science.

If you would like to meet some "aliens" try this: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Playing 'connect-the-dots' and jumping to conclusions supported by your biases, rather than by facts? How does that lead one to "meet some 'aliens'"?

That doesn't look natural at all. The line continues past where the sun ends; looks like a techinical glitch 4 real