Did Valerie Jarrett Order the Hit on LaVoy Finicum?

Did Valerie Jarrett Order the Hit on LaVoy Finicum?

This is a very poorly written article, but I post it anyway for two reasons:

1. It kinda sorta asks an important question that I have been wondering -- dreading -- myself: Was the ambush and death of Finicum really a government assassination of a domestic "terrorist" approved and/or ordered by the president under the quasi-authority of the National Defense Authorization Act passed by our congress critters?

2. It exemplifies how a legitimate question that every American should be asking (regardless of political affiliations or philosophies) is so poorly presented that one has to wonder if it is mere incompetence or political bias, or, worse, deliberate disinfo.

The basic premise of the article is simple:

In the deposition of another officer, he acknowledged that the authorization for the operation that led to the murder of LaVoy Finicum came from the "highest levels of national command authority." Now, national command authority in the united States applies to the President and the Secretary of Defense....

So, why was there a command coming from the White House regarding a small protest in Oregon? Furthermore, who actually issued that command?

It's a good question, and one I keep asking myself. I have not finished reading all of the documents, but so far I find I still have more questions than answers, including who exactly knew what and when, and who came up with and planned this ambush and/or assassination?

The article goes on to speculate regarding Jarrett's role in this decision/command; the one direct link to Jarrett I can find is that the (un-elected) governor of Oregon had direct communication with Jarrett about the standoff --

If the officer's deposition was not enough, among the emails that came from Governor Brown's office, she also made reference her own discussions with "national command authority." Guess who that turned out to be? None other than Valerie Jarrett.

-- and indirectly, how much she influences the president in general. But this article does not even once mention the instrument by which the "I'm-really-good-at-killing-people" president claims this quasi-authority under color of law: the National Defense Authorization Act. I am left wondering if the author understands that even as he shines a big fat spotlight on an important question -- in the Finicum case specifically, and in the country in general -- that he is simultaneously undermining... even sabotaging... any real discussion or dialogue with his partisan speculation and general deflection and distraction. If he does know, then it's just deliberate disinfo.

We know the Finicum ambush was planned and executed at the federal level in conjunction with state officials, and we know there was White House involvement. What we need to know is just how high up the chain that involvement went. We should all be demanding answers, regardless of our opinions of Finicum or the Bundys or their cause. Today it's rogue cowboys... who will it be tomorrow??? Did that Black Lives Matter activist who promised riots across the land if Trump wins just "Finicum" every BLM protestor? After all, for all intents and purposes, all Black Lives Matter activists are now self-proclaimed domestic terrorists with violent intent to obstruct and disrupt fair and legal elections... you and I could reasonably assert that one activist -- even several -- cannot speak for the entire movement... but the cops don't know which are which, so they have "reasonable" suspicion and therefore "legal justification" to shoot any/all of them.

More on Obama and the NDAA:

Bloomberg: Does Obama Have the Authority to Kill Americans?

Huffington Post: U.S. Can Kill American Citizens Without Trial: Eric Holder

Reason: Can the President Legally Kill Americans?

I'm not sure how much there really is to discuss. We do not have enough information to know and understand all the whys and wherefores, and of course the ongoing investigation ensures that those who do know aren't talking... But it's something to think about and good to be aware of.

Looks like Obama was involved.

I knew it.

a reply to: xuenchen

Sure looks that way! Nothing conclusive yet, but more likely than not, yes, Obama was involved to one extent or another... and that's what I want to know. I don't care about Jarrett. I care about what my president did -- and can do.

a reply to: Boadicea

She is your President Obama is her lap dog

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Boadicea

She is your President Obama is her lap dog

So I have heard. Many times. And usually in such a way as to deflect the rightful focus away from Obama's active participation, cooperation, and liability in any given situation... while also discouraging any thought or effort to hold Obama accountable for his transgressions... serving no practical or productive purpose whatsoever.

Even if true in a figurative sense, Jarrett needs Obama and his position to do so... Obama does not need Jarrett to do what he does. Whatever role Jarrett plays, she does so at Obama's whim, and with his full and willful participation.

Fincum was so obviously targeted that I find little doubt that the orders had to come from the highest authority.....
The whole scenario is as plain as 9/11 was.....
You watched it and right away you could see that nothing was as it was portrayed by the government shills.........
I fear for the concept of freedom....its being erased from the hearts of men....

originally posted by: bandersnatch
Fincum was so obviously targeted that I find little doubt that the orders had to come from the highest authority.....

I have to agree. I never expected to have it confirmed though. And it still isn't; but I never expected to even have this much confirmed, so I have a glimmer of hope now...

I fear for the concept of freedom....its being erased from the hearts of men....

Some folks are sure trying. But it ain't over till it's over. And some of us refuse to concede. Ever. And that too gives me hope.

Finicum died because he did everything you are not supposed to do when confronted by law enforcement as exemplified by the recently posted video. Nobody who behaves in such an unstable manner is going to walk away from an encounter with US LEO's.

Seriously what the hell was he thinking with a child in the truck. The man was delusional and endangered everyone with his mentally unstable behaviour.

originally posted by: Kukri
Finicum died because he did everything you are not supposed to do when confronted by law enforcement as exemplified by the recently posted video. Nobody who behaves in such an unstable manner is going to walk away from an encounter with US LEO's.

Finicum died because the law enforcement officials did everything in a way to provoke and force a confrontation, as exemplified by video and everything we know. Nobody caught in that deadman's blockade could have behaved in any way and walk away from the forced encounter and provocation of force by US LEOs.

Seriously what the hell was he thinking with a child in the truck. The man was delusional and endangered everyone with his mentally unstable behaviour.

I'm not sure what you're thinking... there was no child in the truck. But I won't call you delusional or mentally unstable, although your clear misunderstanding of the facts and circumstances may explain much about your comments.

a reply to: Boadicea

I see! So your so-called "deadman's block" was the only time Finicum had an opportunity to surrender himself in a peaceful manner. Seems I recall them being detained for quite a while several miles up the road where he had ample opportunity to comply peacefully with LEO's avoiding your "deadman's block" and the ensuing mayhem. He himself admitted he was turning himself in, why didn't he comply with the OSP officers?

Wasn't the girl in the backseat under 18? That makes her a minor and therefore a child.

It would seem I'm not the one with their facts screwed up!

originally posted by: Kukri
a reply to: Boadicea

I see! So your so-called "deadman's block" was the only time Finicum had an opportunity to surrender himself in a peaceful manner. Seems I recall them being detained for quite a while several miles up the road where he had ample opportunity to comply peacefully with LEO's avoiding your "deadman's block" and the ensuing mayhem.

Actually, no, I don't think Finicum was given any opportunity to peacefully comply or surrender; and in fact and in deed was knowingly and deliberately denied any such opportunity, especially with the duly elected sheriff he was en route to meet with. I was speaking more to the fact that when LaVoy did stop previously, in good faith, with no real instructions or clear indication by law enforcement to do so, and no clear instructions or orders upon doing so, Finicum/the vehicle was then fired upon by law enforcement -- a provocation of conflict -- giving him every reason to fear for his life and the lives of everyone in the vehicle, and every right to flee the danger to himself and his passengers. Of course, he did not know that there was a known deadly no-outlet roadblock around a blind curve. But those who fired upon his vehicle, thus prompting him to flee in reasonable fear for his and others' lives, did know. They also knew that Finicum would not be able to stop, and would be forced to either swerve to either side, or to run right into it, thus putting the lives of every officer on the ground in danger as well -- another provocation of conflict. As was the officers firing upon the vehicle as he approached the roadblock. And when the unidentified FBI elite snipers fired upon Finicum/the vehicle as he was exiting, that provocation of conflict was escalated exponentially by the reactions of both Finicum and the other officers manning the ambush.

He himself admitted he was turning himself in, why didn't he comply with the OSP officers?

He was not given the opportunity. Those who created this travesty -- everything up to and including the actual deadman's roadblock -- made sure of it. The authorities should have done everything possible to give Finicum every chance to surrender peacefully... they did the opposite.

Wasn't the girl in the backseat under 18? That makes her a minor and therefore a child.

She was 18 years old. No matter how old she was, she was innocent, and it was the responsibility of law enforcement to minimize any risk or danger to her -- not to recklessly put her in danger, especially by firing indiscriminately into the vehicle.

It would seem I'm not the one with their facts screwed up!

Hmmm...

I want to believe in Law and Order....
But Whos Law....and whos Orders...?

originally posted by: Boadicea
Actually, no, I don't think Finicum was given any opportunity to peacefully comply or surrender;

He could haave surrendered at any time, but as we see he did not want to.

especially with the duly elected sheriff he was en route to meet with

he only decided he wanted to meet the sheriff after he was stopped....

He was not given the opportunity.

He was given several opportunities, but did not take any of them.

Those who created this travesty

Were the nutters who occupied the reserve.

a reply to: hellobruce

He could haave surrendered at any time, but as we see he did not want to.

We obviously disagree... adamantly on my part.

[those who created this travesty] Were the nutters who occupied the reserve.

Please. We both know that's not true. No one forced law enforcement to take the many willful and deliberate actions they did which ended in death at their hands. Nor was it ever their only -- much less their best -- option.

There's no love in me for any part of the 0bama administration. From that perspective ... I'd be the first to opine that Jarrett had nothing to do with Finicum's death. She's no Janet Reno.

I actually kind'a liked ol' Lavoy. But, he would have never made it out of the truck if he hit one of my partners runnin' roadblocks. He had already made up his mind he was gonna 'die for the cause' ... and he damn sure did it. He didn't hurt anyone else in the process so I hope he rests in peace.

originally posted by: Boadicea
We both know that's not true.

Actually, it is true. If the nutters had not carried out a armed occupation of the reserve, Finicum would still be alive today.

No one forced law enforcement to take the many willful and deliberate actions they did which ended in death at their hands.

No one forced Finicum to act like a armed nutter - that was his own choice.

THAT is her mission....HERE are HER words...“After we win this election, it is payback time. For those who supported us, there will be rewards, for the ones who opposed us, they will get what they deserve. There will be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. With no election to worry about, we have two judges ready to go.”

a reply to: Snarl

But, he would have never made it out of the truck if he hit one of my partners runnin' roadblocks.

Exactly. Because of how that roadblock was set up, no matter what LaVoy did or where he went, one of those officers was in danger.... and every officer knew it and acted accordingly... they killed him.

He had already made up his mind he was gonna 'die for the cause' ... and he damn sure did it.

I wish I could believe that. I think someone else had already made up his mind that Finicim was gonna "die for the cause"... and damn sure did it.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
THAT is her mission....HERE are HER words...“After we win this election, it is payback time. For those who supported us, there will be rewards, for the ones who opposed us, they will get what they deserve. There will be hell to pay. Congress won’t be a problem for us this time. With no election to worry about, we have two judges ready to go.”

Yes, she did say that. But she can't do anything without Obama's consent and cooperation.... so I want to know what Obama knew and when.

originally posted by: Boadicea
no matter what LaVoy did or where he went, one of those officers was in danger....

Something to think about ... id'nt it? When you're confronted by cops ... the fight's over. You stand down and wait for another day ... or you go out in a blaze of glory.

Let's celebrate LaVoy's sacrifice and let him go. That way we don't have to start prying into his character, where he got his money from, or other sordid things. Remember what the bottom line was in my last post?

He didn't hurt anyone else in the process so I hope he rests in peace.