When Have You, Personally, Ever Been Persecuted or Oppressed by a Christian?

I can't wait for the day when people stop making these kind of comments because they realize that a tribal/cultural identifier is not what makes them any better or worse than someone of another "tribe" or religion.

People bully people, recognize your inner a-hole and don't let it out to berate other people to make yourself feel better about your choices of religion or no religion etc and then our lovely blue green world will spin a bit more peacefully.

There are jerks, funny people, bullies, compassionate workers, angry individuals, power hungry people, the oppressed and so on everywhere you go in the world no matter if you live under a tyrant or a constitutional democracy. The religion is surface stuff, a given religion will have angry , funny, compassionate etc people in it, just like any family, school, workplace or country will.

Do our individual bit for society......Don't give in to your inner a-hole. And these threads will not need to exist.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: JohnFisher

Jesus submitted to even His own crucifixion. Men and women ought submit even to their oppressors. In doing so they have favor with God.

Said every southern slave owner......

And?

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: JohnFisher

Jesus submitted to even His own crucifixion. Men and women ought submit even to their oppressors. In doing so they have favor with God.

Said every southern slave owner......

And?

And...it was mostly Christianity that fought so hard to continue slavery before the Civil War. And they used the bible to back them up. As we can see from history and today, the bible can be interpreted to suit any Christian agenda. Including oppression of women, racism, bigotry, and other beliefs that aren't Christian. Those of us who are not Christian live with it every day in the U.S. Many laws and societal etiquette are still based on Christianity.

The religion/cult of Christianity IS the demonic monster Christians are always looking for. It is an oppressive, bigoted, legalistic beast that destroys the freedoms of its own adherents, and anyone else that gets in its way. It has never been about love and compassion. It has always been about using fear and control to over come any resistance to its campaign to conquer the world.

a reply to: NthOther

You obviously just want to fight, and belittle the people on this forum. Let me inform you of what it means to be "oppressed"

Definition of oppression
1
a : unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power
b : something that oppresses especially in being an unjust or excessive exercise of power
2
: a sense of being weighed down in body or mind : depression

Sounds to me like many people here sharing their experiences with you were oppressed by Christians, and you are to blinded by your faith to even attempt to see it. Here is another one.

Definition of persecution
1
: the act or practice of persecuting especially those who differ in origin, religion, or social outlook
2
: the condition of being persecuted, harassed, or annoyed

Again, you asked for people's stories, with the intention of shooting them down. You are "literally" oppressing the people on this thread, AND that was your sole intention when creating it.

And in case you need some more definition, here is my sourse www.merriam-webster.com...

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: JohnFisher
You just can't bring yourselves to let your women walk beside you. Her status is a bit higher than your pet, but she still has to walk a step behind you. If you can't read your past two posts and see what's wrong with them, I have no words left to explain it to you. Christianity can warp and pervert scripture all it wants to, but the message is still there. Women are inferior...
1Timothy 2
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1Cor 11
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Sorry ladies, you're a pet, a slave. You were created to be subservient, and you couldn't even accomplish that task. You failed miserably in the garden.

Eh, you're pretty ignorant on the subject. It's one thing to quickly read over some scripture and take it out of context, but it's another thing entirely to study and understand it. You don't have ears to hear, so you will not listen. Your blind to it. You just want to fight. Good day sir. I'm out.

originally posted by: JohnFisher

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: JohnFisher
You just can't bring yourselves to let your women walk beside you. Her status is a bit higher than your pet, but she still has to walk a step behind you. If you can't read your past two posts and see what's wrong with them, I have no words left to explain it to you. Christianity can warp and pervert scripture all it wants to, but the message is still there. Women are inferior...
1Timothy 2
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1Cor 11
8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

Sorry ladies, you're a pet, a slave. You were created to be subservient, and you couldn't even accomplish that task. You failed miserably in the garden.

Eh, you're pretty ignorant on the subject. It's one thing to quickly read over some scripture and take it out of context, but it's another thing entirely to study and understand it. You don't have ears to hear, so you will not listen. Your blind to it. You just want to fight. Good day sir. I'm out.

I have probably forgotten more about the bible than you will ever know. I'm just no longer stuck interpreting it from one doctrinal and theological perspective any longer. Namely, that it is always right because..."word of god". Which it isn't by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm blind? LOL!!!

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: amazing

Then don't elect them. It seems to me that people have the crazy notion that it's easier to get rid of the religion than the crazy politicians influenced by it.

If you can't keep people from voting for theocrats, tear the religion out from under them so they have no "platform"? Yeah, that sounds doable.

Well that's the problem, isn't it? I won't vote for Ted Cruz, but a sizable portion of the population of the USA will. I can't stop them. All I can do is do my part and tell people why I feel that way.

a reply to: Klassified

And that my friend is the difference between actual Christians and those who simply claim to be to further their own selfish desires.

originally posted by: Klassified

I noticed, as others did I'm sure, that you completely ignored Windword's post here. Not forceful enough for you? Doesn't fit within your parameters?

Did you notice that Windword's story was exactly what I asked for in the OP, and wasn't an attempt to derail the thread into a semantic debate or theological pissing contest?

Thank you, Windword.

So what about you, Klassified? How are your rights, personally, being trampled on by Christians today?

originally posted by: deadlyhope
I'm not even going to read every post - it seems nearly everyone in opposition to the op is basically crying

"but once I heard a priest story! So I'm offended! "

That's all they've got. I maintain that 99% of the most vocal opponents and ardent attackers of Christianity have no standing.

Which is legalese for meaning they haven't been personally wronged (and that does not include being offended) by Christians. They have no individual claim to distress, yet insist that it's there because they've been told it should be there.

And hating Christians is chic. Doesn't matter if you have personal experiences in your life that justify it or not.

a reply to: JohnFisher

there are still many church congregations in this country that don't interpret those passages the way you wish to portray them here, along with centuries of history that seems to indicate the way you wish to portray them here is rather a new concept. and, I hate to say this but I think this new concept seems to have been opposed by the churches rather than the churches leading the charge.

you can call me ignorant or whatever you wish, I don't care, but I will tell you now...
I will worship a goddess and leave your god alone, since it seems to me that is the only way I can approach the divine.
using religion to enforce a male dominated society was a mistake of our forefathers, that really could be easily forgiven, but instead of admitting the error many churches seems to have just softened the tone, and changed the image somewhat.. and it does cause quite a bit of confusion for some women within the church.
but a pampered slave is still just a slave!

I was asked by the op how I felt oppressed by the christian religion, how it had harmed me personally...
I've done my best to explain it...
it disconnected me from the divine
I couldn't enjoy sex with my husband because I went years feeling that it was an obligations, a command from god, and sinful to reject.
it took years, and a goddess to change the mental process and before that change occurred, well, there were times when I did not do right by my children, because of my husband's requests.
the last time I tried to go into a church, the sermon, wouldn't you know it, was started with the words..."Wives obey your husband".... and ya, the preacher went on and went into how the husband was to love their wives, but ya know what, no mention of how a wife was to cope when the husband was acting more in selfishness than love...
I walked out of the church before it ended with tears in my eyes, and I will probably never go back into another church...
call me ignorant, call me heathen, call me whatever you want, but the truth is that I am damaged!!!

if you want people (me) to stop standing against the church, well I would advise you to break the bond between the gov't and the church that some of your fellow christians have worked so hard to begin building! otherwise, whenever I read how a women can just not have sex is she doesn't want to have a child, I will point out just how hard the religion has worked to convince women that it's against God's word to deny him! Attack planned parenthood all you want, but don't blame me for pointing out the women who have been harmed in those catholic hospitals that are putting their beliefs above the health and welfare of women... even when they know danged well that the fetus she is carrying is doomed.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: Klassified

I noticed, as others did I'm sure, that you completely ignored Windword's post here. Not forceful enough for you? Doesn't fit within your parameters?

Did you notice that Windword's story was exactly what I asked for in the OP, and wasn't an attempt to derail the thread into a semantic debate or theological pissing contest?

Thank you, Windword.

So what about you, Klassified? How are your rights, personally, being trampled on by Christians today?

Yes I did. I also noticed that you had nothing to say to her.

I said I wasn't going to do this, but what the hell. Lets get something straight first. My problem with Christianity is not so much what individuals do that happen to be Christian. Although I certainly have my issues there too. It's Christianity itself that is a wolf in sheeps clothing. A "demon" bathed in white light.
What was done to me as a child by 2 devout Christians was despicable and disgusting to say the least, but my real problem with Christianity is that it infects every society it is allowed to flourish in like a pathogen. How are my rights being trampled?
Every time I see one of Christianity's minions on a street corner threatening gods wrath on the "unsaved" to the tune of billions of people murdered because god is pissed.
Every time I get a knock on my door, or a flyer left on my car, preaching repent or be condemned.
Every time I am reminded that several states still have laws against atheists holding public office.
Every time I read an article that says can an atheist be president? Can a woman be president? Can a person of color be whatever?
Every time I see laws still on the books, or new laws passed that favor a privileged class of citizens known as Christians.
Every time I hear that because an organization is not Christian, they are subject to laws Christians are not, such as Daycare inspections.
Every time I am reminded that churches cost the taxpayer millions and billions of dollars in lost tax revenue every year, because they are not held accountable for the billions of dollars that come in every year.
Every time I hear of dominionists and other Christians wanting to outlaw anything that goes against their faith for everyone who is not Christian as well. Think Kim Davis, among others.
Every time I am expected to honor some Christian observance, because they could care less that I am not Christian. I should be, so that's my fault, not theirs.
Every time I'm told I could be more respectful of peoples faith, yet they have NO RESPECT for anyone elses faith, or lack of.
Every time I am reminded of the warped, backward view Christianity perpetuates about human sexuality, and the condemnation that comes along with it from Christians.

Every time these, and so many more things happen, I remember that the society I live in is infested with a religion that cares for its own, and everyone else can go to hell if they don't like it, and don't want to be confronted with it on every corner, and on TV, and in our government, and any other place it can infect. The very fabric of our society is just now beginning to cleanse and sanitize itself from centuries of oppressive and draconian Christian beliefs that got MANY people murdered, jailed, ostracized, and hated for not being a member of the cult, or going against it.

How are my rights being trampled on? Let me count the ways. The influence of Christianity over this nation till now has been America's own Dark Age, and we are just now beginning to recover from it. Though we still have a ways to go, before there is no longer a state sanctioned religion, and a privileged class of citizens.

originally posted by: Klassified

Every time I see one of Christianity's minions on a street corner threatening gods wrath on the "unsaved" to the tune of billions of people murdered because god is pissed.

Not a violation of your rights.

Every time I get a knock on my door, or a flyer left on my car, preaching repent or be condemned.

Not a violation of your rights.

Every time I am reminded that several states still have laws against atheists holding public office.

Possibly a violation of your rights. I'd have to see the laws.

Every time I read an article that says can an atheist be president? Can a woman be president? Can a person of color be whatever?

Not a violation of your rights.

Every time I see laws still on the books, or new laws passed that favor a privileged class of citizens known as Christians.

Possibly. Do you have examples?

Every time I hear that because an organization is not Christian, they are subject to laws Christians are not, such as Daycare inspections.

Like who?

Every time I am reminded that churches cost the taxpayer millions and billions of dollars in lost tax revenue every year, because they are not held accountable for the billions of dollars that come in every year.

Not a violation of your rights. In fact, taxing churches would be a direct violation of that First Amendment thing. And you know that, but you don't care.

Every time I hear of dominionists and other Christians wanting to outlaw anything that goes against their faith for everyone who is not Christian as well. Think Kim Davis, among others.

Fair enough. I think Davis is a douche too.

Every time I am expected to honor some Christian observance, because they could care less that I am not Christian. I should be, so that's my fault, not theirs.

Not a violation of your rights. No one is forcing you to honor anything.

Every time I'm told I could be more respectful of peoples faith, yet they have NO RESPECT for anyone elses faith, or lack of.

Not a violation of your rights.

Every time I am reminded of the warped, backward view Christianity perpetuates about human sexuality, and the condemnation that comes along with it from Christians.

Not a violation of your rights.

Should we go back to the part where being offended does not constitute oppression? Self-esteem is not a right.

a reply to: NthOther

I'm just curious as to where all this "throat shoving" talk is coming from.

Childhood. Vide windword's post on p1. That's when the shoving mostly happens. Because children are vulnerable.

a reply to: Astyanax

Then they should take it up with their parents, as previously stated. The religion didn't do anything to them.

Their parents did.

a reply to: NthOther

Parents? My parents never shoved anything down my throat. The born-again young evangelists who mistook their prey, the similarly born-again home preacher who nearly drove my mother to madness out of guilt because none of her three sons would listen to his ravings, the Jehovah's Witnesses I have turned from my door, the old erstwhile friend who made a bonfire of a book I wrote because it contained photos of 'demons' (ie Hindu gods)... they were not nearly so reticent.

Persecution? I call it annoyance. But in a different place or time, with the weight of the state or social sanction behind it, it would be persecution indeed.

a reply to: NthOther'

oh, but the op didn't say when the religion did, it said christian, which, well christians ARE PARENTS.
so what now, are we gonna start proclaiming vast numbers of self proclaimed christains as not being christian enough?
we try to point out the doctrines that are discriminatory, and well, we get knocked, we point out the behavior of christians and well, they just weren't acting christian...
just by what standard should we go by? history? that portrays a really sad story doesn't it?

They used to lock up all the swings and stuff on Lewis (and I'm sure other Scottish Islands) every Sunday. As recently as 2010.
Thats pretty mean...


On a more serious note though, I think you unfairly discredit those that experienced it in childhood. I agree that ultimately, it is the parents that decide where to send their children to school, but there are a lot of factors as to why that decision is made.

In small communities for instance, there can often be 1 predominant religious persuasion. If people are not seen to be doing the "Norm" (going to church etc) then it is possible they may end up alienated from the staunchly religious others.
Sometimes people go through the motions because it is what is expected of them, whether it be family or social pressures.

For example. I was raised a Catholic. I went to a Catholic primary school. They make you "Confirm" your catholicism at an age where you will, most likely, not truly comprehend the nature of the occasion. It's common to get relatively sizeable amounts of money gifted at these times, so what 9-10 year old kid is going to decline being Confirmed, when doing so results in a serious boost to the old piggy bank?

When we had music lessons, a Nun would teach us Hymns. When we had Art, it was making things for the church, or had a Bible theme to it.

Up until around the age of 13, I went to church every weekend for 1-2 hours, which would be miserably dull and tedious. I don't remember the comedian who said it (maybe Billy Connolly), but the Catholics truly do mourn their faith. It is all so bleak and dreary.

Anyway, the point being, that yes, my parents were responsible, but it was only through their own indoctrination into the faith, and the fear of letting down their own parents (with possible serious relationship consequences), that my parents went through the motions. Considering my Fathers Mother volunteered for around 30 years to clean, cook, and care for her local resident priests, and came from a small village some dubbed the "mini-vatican" due to its almost entirely staunchly catholic population, then I'm surprised we got out while she was still alive!

I'm glad to be long rid of Catholicism, and regardless of you saying my experience holds no merit due to it being that of a child, I feel my opinion is worth voicing, as I've more than experienced how Christians can force their agenda on you, and how religion can control how you and those you love live their lives.


Hail Eris! All Hail Discordia

Ultimately, I think that if one were able to actually trace the source of this fallacy that Christians are the oppressors, it would eventually lead directly back to the father of all lies and his Gnostic false religion.

One only needs to look at a few of the films coming out of Hollywood to see that the TPTB's primary agenda is to push the Gnostic indoctrination that inverts and twists everything that is true.

To understand how people are being brainwashed by The Illuminati to hate God and accept the coming Anti-Christ ... You must understand gnosticism! Even the first century church had to deal with these heretics... They claim that the devil is the savior and our God is a devil! They invert the truth!

Illuminati Satanic Gnosticism EXPOSED

When it comes right down to it, very few even understand what a real Christian actually IS, and that includes most so called "Christians" as well BTW.

According to scripture, words and beliefs do not make one a Christian, ones actions do...

If you love me, you will keep my commandments. ~ John 14:15

Your words mean nothing if your actions contradict them.

There are two kinds of people in the world: sayers and doers.

God told Howard Pittman during his NDE that not all the sayers would be in heaven, but all the doers would be.

Man's definition of 'believer' is not the same as God's definition.

Hell is FULL of so called 'believers'.

Christians in Hell

The two angels escorted me to Hell. I then saw many pastors, elders, and deacons in Hell. I asked the angel, “I know them. They had served God faithfully while on the Earth. They had died some time ago. We all had thought they were in Heaven with God. But now, I see them all in Hell and they are crying out that it is so hot! Why are they here?” There were so many pastors, elders, deacons and all other lay believers.

The angel answered, “Pastor Park Yong Gyu, a person can appear to be a true follower of Christ on the outside but God knows the heart.

There are multitudes of churches on the Earth and many of the churches are filled with many people. However, most of them are not true Christians. They are but church attendants. The true churches will firmly believe in Heaven and a Hell. The lives of many Christians are in chaos because they do not firmly believe in Heaven and Hell. When one soul enters Heaven, one thousand cursed souls enter Hell. The rate of Heaven and Hell is 1 to 1000.” (Matt 7:14)

Heaven & Hell 1000 to 1

God told Howard Pittman during his NDE that not all the sayers would be in heaven, but all the doers would be.

On August 3, 1979, Howard Pittman, a Baptist minister for 35 years, died while on the operating table during surgery and had a near-death experience.

Instead of allowing me to enter, the angel stationed me before the Gates, slightly to one side. He instructed me to stay there and watch as the saints were permitted to enter into Heaven. This point was so important that the Holy Spirit told me Himself. I watched the fifty saints enter Heaven, but the point I missed was the time frame involved.

It was explained to me that at the same time those fifty saints died on Earth, 1,950 other humans also died; or only 50 out of 2000 made it into Heaven. That other 1,950 were not there. Where were they? That was only 2 ½ percent going to Heaven! Ninety seven point five percent did not make it! Is that representative of the entire world today? If so, 97 ½ percent of the population of this world today is not ready to meet God.

Placebo by Howard Pittman

Bishop Wilfred Lai is the founder and senior Pastor of Jesus Celebration Center in Mombasa, Kenya and it is a church of over 15,000 members. One day he asked the Lord how many of them were ready for heaven and the Lord told him only 200. Only 1% of that church is going to heaven! Dr. Lai said that some pastors have created large groups of sinners meeting in the name of God. “What you have are not churches, but large congregations of sinners.”

Message from Pastor Wilfred Lai