What will it take for you to vote for a libertarian?

For ron paul to run again, or if there is someone similar to what ron paul was running on last election.

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I do vote Libertarian where I can, however, too many people don't understand personal liberty in this country. People either believe the individual rights trump those of society or believe society has the right to subvert the individual.

Libertarian's clearly believe society and Government exist to serve the individual where as those that wish to rely on Government don't believe in personal liberty is most cases.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman
What will it take for you to vote for a libertarian?

What will the libertarian party have to do to earn your vote? What does the mainstream parties already offer that make you support them over a libertarian? What policies that libertarians offer that are not offered by the GOP or the democrats?
Do you vote on policy or on who think has the best chance to win?
Do you think libertarians are left or right wing?

Thank you for replying.

I have always wanted to vote libertarian, and have, but they are always shutdown hard by the entrenched status quo. I would like the entrenched politicians and their free lunch shutdown hard. The only chance right now is Trump, but not a lot of Trump supporters here on ATS.
I detest Obama and Shillary as being part of the deeply corrupt and lying establishment, and they hope to keep the gravy train going for themselves and friends, but I think they both deserve a permanent prison cell, or a noose.

A good full libertarian is really what America needs right now for it to ever be pulled out of the quicksand which has a bottom that is death for this country.

edit:
Libertarians listen to their constituents, and they also do what the people want, not promise to do what they want, and then do the opposite like a Clinton, or an Obama.
I always knew what Obama was, and never voted for him.

Look Trump has the people and the people have Trump.

But if we continue with the same old political liars and Thieves we are lost as a nation

a reply to: Abysha

I would be happy with experiments in socialism being carried out on a local or state level. If my state were to turn against my liking, I could move to another state that suited my liking.

I am Libertarian but I will chose who the best candidate is for the job if there is not a true Libertarian on the ticket. Or if there is a better qualified individual at the local or state level.

Here is a link that might be enlightening if you haven't a;ready seen it.
Worlds Smallest Political Quiz

I fear the coming election will will put an absolute disaster in office.

Another site is I Side With

I agree with libertarians and am one but I do have an issue with border controls and one sided trade deals.

I think libertarians need to keep thinking and not simply rest on the NAP for all policy. They need to understand culture matters and bad culture has consequences. Not saying to enforce cultural norms on the populace but importing lower quality culture could be deterimental. Somehow they understand large welfare states do have moral hazards but cannot understand other hazards.
Thomas Sowell has some data on cultural outcomes.
The founders knew the countries system would only exist if the people were of high moral character.

pro-choice is the platform but libertarians are split, It's not an easy question to pin down. I'd vear more on the pro-life but thats not a dealbreaker.

maybe I'll vote for gary maybe I'll vote for trump.

What will it take for you to vote for a libertarian?

A lobectomy.

K~

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I do vote Libertarian where I can, however, too many people don't understand personal liberty in this country. People either believe the individual rights trump those of society or believe society has the right to subvert the individual.

Libertarian's clearly believe society and Government exist to serve the individual where as those that wish to rely on Government don't believe in personal liberty is most cases.

What if you believe government should be ran by machines and not people?

I try to vote libertarian at the local level where I can. Nationally, it's just not an option most times. I don't agree with the libertarian foreign policy. I don't want interventionist policy, but I don't like complete isolationism, either.

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I'm not really in their demographic, I'm a socialist.

So, to answer your question, I would probably have to drop all of my ideals and beliefs about economics and social justice.

What about libertarian socialists like Noam Chomsky?

Libertarian... Socialists...

I don't think at least one of those terms means what you think it means...

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I do vote Libertarian where I can, however, too many people don't understand personal liberty in this country. People either believe the individual rights trump those of society or believe society has the right to subvert the individual.

Libertarian's clearly believe society and Government exist to serve the individual where as those that wish to rely on Government don't believe in personal liberty is most cases.

What if you believe government should be ran by machines and not people?

Who programs the machines?

originally posted by: jellyrev
I agree with libertarians and am one but I do have an issue with border controls and one sided trade deals.

I think libertarians need to keep thinking and not simply rest on the NAP for all policy. What?They need to understand culture matters and bad culture has consequences.bad culture? Not saying to enforce cultural norms on the populace but importing lower quality culturelower quality culture? could be deterimental. Somehow they understand large welfare statesgovernment social programs do have moral hazards but cannot understand other hazards. like out of control government
Thomas Sowell has some data on cultural outcomes.
The founders knew the countries system would only exist if the people were of high moral character.
How do you measure that?
pro-choice is the platform but libertarians are split,pro-choice because the state should be involved. AT ALL. No funding from the state either It's not an easy question to pin down. I'd vear more on the pro-life but thats not a dealbreaker.

if your pro-life then don't go get an abortion. If your pro-choice you can have an abortion. Just don't expect the state to fund it with tax payer funds.
maybe I'll vote for gary maybe I'll vote for trump.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I do vote Libertarian where I can, however, too many people don't understand personal liberty in this country. People either believe the individual rights trump those of society or believe society has the right to subvert the individual.

Libertarian's clearly believe society and Government exist to serve the individual where as those that wish to rely on Government don't believe in personal liberty is most cases.

What if you believe government should be ran by machines and not people?

Who programs the machines?

They program themselves.

originally posted by: ketsuko
...but I don't like complete isolationism, either.

Please explain how they are isolationists?

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

One with Balls . Last time I checked , there are None .

a reply to: John_Rodger_Cornman

I'll vote libertarian 10 times.

As long as they don't require ID

Dbl

originally posted by: John_Rodger_Cornman

originally posted by: jellyrev
I agree with libertarians and am one but I do have an issue with border controls and one sided trade deals.

I think libertarians need to keep thinking and not simply rest on the NAP for all policy. What?They need to understand culture matters and bad culture has consequences.bad culture? Not saying to enforce cultural norms on the populace but importing lower quality culturelower quality culture? could be deterimental. Somehow they understand large welfare statesgovernment social programs do have moral hazards but cannot understand other hazards. like out of control government
Thomas Sowell has some data on cultural outcomes.
The founders knew the countries system would only exist if the people were of high moral character.
How do you measure that?
pro-choice is the platform but libertarians are split,pro-choice because the state should be involved. AT ALL. No funding from the state either It's not an easy question to pin down. I'd vear more on the pro-life but thats not a dealbreaker.

if your pro-life then don't go get an abortion. If your pro-choice you can have an abortion. Just don't expect the state to fund it with tax payer funds.
maybe I'll vote for gary maybe I'll vote for trump.

As for culture. here's a piece. there is more.
Thomas sowell culture matters.


abortion is not easy to pin down because of the concept of when life is imo. Is smoking while pregnant abuse? killing a pregnant women double homicide. No one can know when a person comes into being a person. The question is when babies become persons because once they become persons they do have rights. It's not a question that is going to be answered in this thread.

How about knowing the name of one?