I will vote for Trump as the candidate of the Republican Party or I will not vote.

I will step out on a limb here and offer up about the only 'power' we have as a people. Our vote....or non-vote.

Yes, I've always considered myself a conservative. I have, therefore, aligned with the Republican Party. As I see a massive distinction between having a social responsibility or social conscious and being a 'socialist'- two completely different things entirely, I have come to the realization that the same mechanics apply to the right side of the political spectrum....belatedly.

As socialism-a political dogma- doesn't reflect social consciousness and merely plays on it, the same applies to the Republican party...and it's Tea Party wing as well. It uses conservative ideals as a ploy and reflects almost none of those ideals in actions or results....only rhetoric.

An over simplification, yet, in general a truth, for me, is if it isn't broken, one doesn't fix it. Including social activity. Police lower and middle education, infrastructure, so on. All was workable, along with the conservative ideals. A balance. It worked!

Now both parties and their members elected and otherwise, are locked into a tighter and tighter dogma and control mechanism which grows more divided daily.

It cannot be changed within these 'members' of either party. It can only be broken or changed by those of us that consider themselves outside both political mechanisms. Our only tool is our vote.

Is see breaking this viscous cycle as more important than any single issue being argued. Trump, in my view is more apolitical than locked into a specific dogma. I see him as less 'owned', less controlled by outside influences. This is obvious based on the attacks across the politcal spectrum and media.

No President is 'perfect' and none will ever be. I see no other way for grassroots to influence or change this other than withholding our votes from those that no longer represent us. None. I wish to give Trump the chance, no matter the risks involved, as there is no other alternative. The rest are molded by the machine than got them to their current positions. Simple.

If you feel similarly, then please let me know and share this sentiment. Perhaps with enough grass-root noise we can influence where this country goes...again.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I agree in spirit... but not in the particulars... i.e., Trump. He is very definitely part of the establishment and the elite. We have to step completely outside the left-right paradigm to make the necessary political statement, voting overwhelmingly for a third-party or unaffilliated candidate in order to deny the winning candidate the voter mandate they depend on, and send a message of no confidence instead. Even if the vast majority of us voted for a dozen different outsiders, it would still send the "no confidence" message, as long as there were more votes for others than the candidates.

This election is probably the best chance we've had in a long long time to vote in an "outsider," but I'm not holding my breath. Too many voters are afraid of wasting their vote. So I think the best we can hope for is to use our votes to deny the ultimate "winner" (and I use that term loosely) of a voter mandate.

I'm sure your threat strikes real fear in the Republican Party.

I don't support Trump, but if he is the nominee I'll likely vote for him simply because I think he'd be the most ineffective option. He has alienated everyone to the point that no one is going to work with him and we can have a reprieve from getting any sort of ideology, either left or right, jam down our throats through executive overreach (for once).

Then, we the people, can go about cleaning up congress and bring a balance of power back to these United States.

Even Dem Jim Webb will vote for Trump.

"Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump"
www.politico.com...

a reply to: nwtrucker

I agree. The division between left and right is so enormous that it has become a chasm so wide, it is almost impossible to cross. There are those standing on the left side feet firmly planted, and the same on the right. But, there are a lot of us down in that chasm waiting to be lifted up to form a bridge. Who knows? Donald may be that bridge.

Barack Obama is not really a leader. He has no clue how to work across the aisle, and his ego is so enormous that he has never been able to set it aside to affect a healing. Reagan was a master at bringing us all together, and even Bill Clinton had some ability to do that.

Obama, otoh, is too narcissistic and full of himself to achieve anything close to healing and bridging the gap. He, instead, divides further and makes old wounds that were healing just fine, gape open once again. Then he sticks his hand in and irritates it that much more. IMO, he has been a dismal failure in bringing Americans together as one....different yet the same.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I do not wish to attack you. I respect your opinion and your privilege to vote for whomever you believe will help the people of our country.

I do have a serious question for you. But before I ask it I wish to provide some information I believe is true.

Mr. Trump has been identified to have NPD (Narrsistic Personality Disorder). This identification has been made from professional psychiatrists. The symptoms NPD provides is very clear and concise. Mr. Trump behaviors exhibit these exactly.

Based from these dysfunctional behaviors, that Mr Trump continually exhibits, he will in most situations cause ongoing grid lock as well as decisions not well thought through. He causes destruction.

So my respectful question to you is why would you vote for a person who is very dysfunctional?

a reply to: bucsarg

Based from these dysfunctional behaviors, that Mr Trump continually exhibits, he will in most situations cause ongoing grid lock as well as decisions not well thought through. He causes destruction.

No he won't ....

On the remote chance trump get's the nomination and is elected; he will do exactly what his neocon masters tell him to do just like Obama did. Bend over and take it....

I know it's hard to imagine that real power isn't political but it's not. It's economic and controlled by a power that doesn't need all the BS rhetoric and grandstanding; satisfied to rule behind the curtain for an agenda most can't even comprehend.

Enjoy the political theater....best show in town.

I almost feel guilty to admit, I work for the media and the GOP signs my checks.
















hypnotic lil feller, isn't he?

originally posted by: bucsarg
a reply to: nwtrucker

I do not wish to attack you. I respect your opinion and your privilege to vote for whomever you believe will help the people of our country.

I do have a serious question for you. But before I ask it I wish to provide some information I believe is true.

Mr. Trump has been identified to have NPD (Narrsistic Personality Disorder). This identification has been made from professional psychiatrists. The symptoms NPD provides is very clear and concise. Mr. Trump behaviors exhibit these exactly.

Based from these dysfunctional behaviors, that Mr Trump continually exhibits, he will in most situations cause ongoing grid lock as well as decisions not well thought through. He causes destruction.

So my respectful question to you is why would you vote for a person who is very dysfunctional?

By the way, it's spelled Narcissistic. Nice research...

You don't think any of the other candidates are a narcissist too? I will also be voting Trump.

a reply to: Sunglower

Thanks for helping me with the spelling. My spelling sucks.

Yes you are correct. My belief is most or all politicians who run for President have some form of dysfunction. I, however, feel Mr Trump is over the top and will cause more harm then good.

a reply to: nwtrucker

I fail to see how most of Donald Trump's policies would be conservative in nature. Sure he's a chicken hawk and supports torture, but those aren't technically supposed to be conservative ideals.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: nwtrucker


Barack Obama is not really a leader. He has no clue how to work across the aisle, and his ego is so enormous that he has never been able to set it aside to affect a healing. Reagan was a master at bringing us all together, and even Bill Clinton had some ability to do that.

Obama, otoh, is too narcissistic and full of himself to achieve anything close to healing and bridging the gap. He, instead, divides further and makes old wounds that were healing just fine, gape open once again. Then he sticks his hand in and irritates it that much more. IMO, he has been a dismal failure in bringing Americans together as one....different yet the same.

I have never seen Obama be narcissistic or have a big ego. I have seen talking news heads say it quite a bit though.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

I fail to see how most of Donald Trump's policies would be conservative in nature. Sure he's a chicken hawk and supports torture, but those aren't technically supposed to be conservative ideals.

But they are neocon ideas.

And the OP is a alleged bush supporter

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: bucsarg

Based from these dysfunctional behaviors, that Mr Trump continually exhibits, he will in most situations cause ongoing grid lock as well as decisions not well thought through. He causes destruction.

No he won't ....

On the remote chance trump get's the nomination and is elected; he will do exactly what his neocon masters tell him to do just like Obama did. Bend over and take it....

I know it's hard to imagine that real power isn't political but it's not. It's economic and controlled by a power that doesn't need all the BS rhetoric and grandstanding; satisfied to rule behind the curtain for an agenda most can't even comprehend.

Enjoy the political theater....best show in town.

I almost feel guilty to admit, I work for the media and the GOP signs my checks.
















hypnotic lil feller, isn't he?

Who are these mythical neocons you speak of?? No one can ever give an answer. They were purged from the Obama administration even went through and fired generals and replaced them. So who secretary of state? Secretary of defense? FBI director? They have all been changed yet you attribute neocoms with a magical quality do you believe in fairies too??

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: nwtrucker

I fail to see how most of Donald Trump's policies would be conservative in nature. Sure he's a chicken hawk and supports torture, but those aren't technically supposed to be conservative ideals.

This is what I don't understand, Trump doesn't really have any conservative ideas, either now or historically. I suspect there will be a lot of people upset with what they get should he actually take office.

a reply to: nwtrucker

There are a number of reasons to vote, but the only one that I consider valid is to support a candidate you really believe in. A vote for a lesser of two evils is voting for evil, so don't do it!

Some people vote to change the outcome of the election such as by "voting for someone who can win" but the fact is you have what a 1 in 1 million chance to change a national election? Its much better to write in "no confidence" or some such thing than vote for the lesser of evils.

a reply to: centarix

I can't see a single reason to vote, ever, for anyone. Human delusion at its best thinking our short term could ever diverge from the long term past. & going there to write "no confidence" literally couldn't be less pointless & not worth anyone's time. Who do you think is gonna read that? That seems like a weird personal ego thing, I would get the exact same pleasure from simply not participating.

a reply to: Boadicea


Obviously, I don't hold Trump in the same light as you do.
Mere success in the same arena is not an automatic that he likes or agrees with it.

Likewise, an individual in a third party/independent party has potentially the same drawbacks.

The most important point is the trump phenomena is proof of sufficient grass-root support for an alternative party. Whether Trump wins or not, he has done this country a great service. The demise of the republican party in it's current form and, likely, the momentum for the next party.

a reply to: Aazadan

I forsee the significant expansion of government to implement his deportation idea and Muslim idea, but I guess smaller government only matters when you aren't oppressing other people. *Ahem* I mean protecting our safety.

a reply to: bucsarg

The LAST people on this planet I'd give credence to is the Psychiatric. (I mean this statement in all possible sincerity).

I recall similar statements by the psych movement when Reagan ran for President. If anything, your post moves me to support Trump with more enthusiasm. If there has ever been a more fraudulent group on this planet than the ECT/Psycho-tropic/Pharma crowd I don't know who it is....

In any event, I'd love a link to that 'assessment" if you would be so kind.

No offense taken from your post...thanks