Are UFO hostile? James Flynn Case

Hello ATS, here is another interesting case that I did not find in here, the source is in English and has a lot of information about it but I will be making a summary of my own. The source will be at the end as always.

In the UFO phenomenon it appears that these objects reveal themselves timidly and the witnesses that found themselves facing one of these flying objects, they can observe it from a distance that, while it does not generate absolute safety, the distance between these objects makes no imminent danger. Sometimes the phenomenon interacts and disappears leaving strange traces in it's path like experiences of missing time or unusual mists in the atmosphere.

But there are some cases that occur rarely in which the UFO appears to be seen against it's will and and in some of these occasions, it seems that the UFO reacts violently to their astonished witnesses, undertaking actions that bring physical consequences for them.

One such case is the Everglades encounter in Florida that happened in 1965. In this humid, swampy region is where the woodsman James Flynn decided to spend a few days in march of that year with the intention to hunt with his four dogs. During one of the nights his dogs ran on the trail of a deer and James stepped into the vegetation following them.



- Everglades National Park.

While searching for his dogs late at night, James noticed an unusual object hovering over the top of the cypress trees that populated the area a kilometer and half away from where he was (0.9 miles). The object was shaped like a cone and it moved away from James but after 2 or 3 minutes it went back to it's path and positioned in the same place where it was seen by James and there it remained static for 5 minutes after which it disappeared flying in the opposite direction at high speed.

The object reappeared again after a short time, this time, 400 meters from James (437 yards) and it was no longer flying over the top of the trees, it appeared floating among the cypress trees near the ground. James observed the object through his binoculars he carried with him.



- The UFO positioned in different heights above the ground.

The weird object was 15 meters in diameter (49 feet) and near the top were what appeared to be windows arranged in four rows of 20 cm each side (7 inches) which emitted a glow of yellowish hue. The ship was covered with metal plates joined together by rivets and in it's base emitted a crimson light beam that reached the ground. Also, it emitted constantly a noise that sounded like a generator.

Initially, when James watched the object at a distance, he thought that it was a helicopter but when he observed it from a shorter distance, he thought that it was actually some secret military ship that seemed to have troubles, without hesitation he began to approach toward the object waving his arms raised to catch it's attention with the intention to offer help.

At that time the object stopped issuing constant and monotonous sound that sounded like of an engine similar to an aircraft propulsion system, then James fell off to the ground because of a shake caused by a gust of wind that was coming from the direction where the UFO was.



- It seems that the UFO did not want the witness to approach.

James returned to his feet and continued his march closer and closer to the mysterious UFO that made clear it's disagreement with the approach of the witness. When Flynn was at a short distance from it's target, the UFO emitted a beam of light that reached James and then he fainted. According to Flynn himself as told to a local newspaper:


"I felt a blow like a hammer blow between the eyes and that's all I know"


He awoke at a later time alone in the forest and blind. He remained lying where he had awakened a long time. Fortunately he discovered that blindness was momentary and was gradually regaining some sight in his left eye when dawn was breaking. Of course, the UFO was gone.

Having recovered only a little vision in one eye, dizzy, James wandered through the woods until he met with his dogs and went to seek help from an acquaintance who lived in the area.



- The powerful beam of light thrown by the UFO left the witness unconscious.

Upon arriving home and joining his wife he immediately went to seek medical treatment. He discovered a strange dark mark in the middle of his forehead, he also complained about his loss of vision, etc. Fortunately for James, all these symptoms were getting better as the days passed.

It was not long until Flynn himself accompanied by some researchers went back again to the place where they found a circle burned of 22 meters (72 feet) in diameter on the forest floor that appeared to have been swept, it contained no sheet or branch or some other normal element in the soil of a forest. Also, eight trees had burned from top to half the trunk. Later, James Flynn said:


"I'm waiting for the day when someone reveals the truth about all of this. I hope to live long enough"


Note

No doubt this case is baffling because in most cases the UFO show themselves at will, but, do they choose the witness in advance? In this case, it suggests the opposite as the UFO was caught by surprise and gives the feeling that it didn't want to be seen but perhaps it's what it wanted all along, or it could be that the situation transcended their calculations by having a close approach by a human made them take violent measures by disabling the person completely.

So do you believe UFO are hostile toward us? or do you believe some are and some are not? maybe the UFO did not want to be seen / bothered with at that moment?.

I want to believe that aliens are in fact good in nature or at least neutral, I want to believe that the hostile races do not evolve enough to be an interstellar species because they all end up destroying themselves (us? hopefully not). Share your thoughts!

The source

James Flynn Case

Thank you for reading!

So these ships, capable of travelling the vast distances between stars, are held together with rivets!? The eight trees that were supposedly burned down to their trunks would still be there, if this happened in 1965. I'd like to see some pictures of those.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Wow. C'mon man.
Titanic was held together by rivets.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

That is what he thought he saw (or looked something like that) of course there is no way to know those were actual rivets obviously. If this is all true they sure were different stuff anyways.

originally posted by: nito92
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

That is what he thought he saw (or looked something like that) of course there is no way to know those were actual rivets obviously. If this is all true they sure were different stuff anyways.

It's ok. We have prepared your flight back to the moon.

a reply to: nito92

Neither for or against yours or his theories...U.F.O. as a word, should be completely changed, dropped, removed etc. Because by your very use of it...it CANT be identified (unidentified flying object)...so we need to come up with something else to describe these "things".

If it can't be identified...by it's very definition of being an UN-identifiable object-flying....then one can't determine if "they" "it" "those" "them" etc...are anything, let alone hostile.

Once it can be determined to be something we can absolutely identify...like a cat, dog, sun, moon, tree....then until then...we can't speculate on that which is determined to not be able to be identified.

Awww, they tried to protect him. Those military guys are tough, but they're still human.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
So these ships, capable of travelling the vast distances between stars, are held together with rivets!? The eight trees that were supposedly burned down to their trunks would still be there, if this happened in 1965. I'd like to see some pictures of those.

That's why I go with "projected into our brains" as a common methodology
explaining the 5% of actual "UFOs".

The BTUFO I "saw" must have been 10 miles away at one point, yet I could see
"rivets" on it as if it was within touching distance.

Now I have no idea who/what/where is doing the "projecting" and whether it
is a natural or technological thing. No idea at all.

People fight for ridiculous explanations of nuts and bolts UFOs doing the
most RIDICULOUS things.. I mean.. fly across the Universe to mutilate
cows and rape native primates?

Doesn't sound much like Star Trek to me.

Kev

a reply to: nito92

Another case I have not heard of before. Thank you for bring this to our attention. I would say based on everything I have read and heard about ufo encounters that there are some that seem hostile, while some do not. There have been many sightings over the years, probably decades, where people have had some type of radiational burning or health side effects from their encounters. I believe there have been some military based encounters where ufo's seem like they are going to crash into planes and such. Many beams of lights have also happened. It seems usually this effect seems to make people pass out and/or they are transported up or out of ufo's. Interesting sighting.

Excellent post about this USA case Nito, very well put together by you too.

Are the ufos hostile? Well some seem to be that way. Especially towards cattle. Saying that us humans don't seem to be preyed on much by whatever is out there. We are sitting ducks really living on the surface with little protection on our Planet Earth, if they wanted to they could probably wipe us out with relative ease, like crop spraying us as you do with bacteria clinging to the surface of an apple. They are not doing this so maybe they aren't that hostile, then again if we are the crop they are farming and they are waiting for the human population to reach say 10 billion before the cull begins and we are all killed for their food manufacturing requirements then we may find out in the future the reality of the ufos. We are their crop

The general consensus is that anti-gravity craft cannot carry projectile weapons but can use tractor beams and concentrated energy bursts.

The general consensus is that anti-gravity craft cannot carry projectile weapons but can use tractor beams and concentrated energy bursts.

Size matters.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
So these ships, capable of travelling the vast distances between stars, are held together with rivets!? The eight trees that were supposedly burned down to their trunks would still be there, if this happened in 1965. I'd like to see some pictures of those.

What's wrong with rivets? Too primitive for you? If they do the job reliably, and are made with reliable materials, what's the problem? Of course many other reported unearthly craft are much different and have been reported to be perfectly made like smooth metal made from a mold with no seams, no rivets, no apparent doors or welds. This could indicate much more advancement than a craft with rivets, but both can operate efficiently without failing for their intended purposes. From an engineering point of view there is no issue. But it does offer clues as to the level of advancement or practical application of design.

OP:
Very nice thread, and good questions raised. I would offer a comment that there are many different intelligence's coming, or "stopping by" planet earth, for varying reasons. Some good, and some are bad.

Intelligence and advancement is never a guarantee of spiritual development. This has been proven by the many differing reports of entities who have indeed caused harm to humans unlucky enough to have approached craft too closely.

The one you first mention above might have wanted that person not to get too close to keep harm from coming to him, because many craft have been reported to generate great heat and other effects harmful to people getting too close. Radiation and other unknown forms of energy.

On the other hand, some craft and entities have been indifferent or uncaring in their approach to humans with indifference to causing them harm. That would indicate it is possible to have very advanced technology, but very under developed senses of compassion and wisdom in areas of higher spiritual reasoning.

A vast array of reports shows that this is very true, and that there is a broad spectrum of differing intelligence's coming here.

originally posted by: nito92
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

That is what he thought he saw (or looked something like that) of course there is no way to know those were actual rivets obviously.

I'm not disagreeing, but something about the idea of interstellar craft being riveted together just strikes me as hilarious. We're not anywhere close to having the level of technology that would allow for travel between stars, and we stopped riveting hulls together (for the most part) and started welding them, decades ago.

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: nito92
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

That is what he thought he saw (or looked something like that) of course there is no way to know those were actual rivets obviously.

I'm not disagreeing, but something about the idea of interstellar craft being riveted together just strikes me as hilarious. We're not anywhere close to having the level of technology that would allow for travel between stars, and we stopped riveting hulls together (for the most part) and started welding them, decades ago.

I agree with the idea that rivets seem old fashioned and they may well be, but techniques and materials have changed to where there is much advancement in using them and how they are installed.

But you are flat wrong about them being discontinued decades ago. They are still the main way to manufacture in the aerospace industry.
www.assemblymag.com...

Welding has problems as well, but newer types of welding refined over time are used in aerospace, but welding has not replaced riveting and the use of fasteners.

What has changed is using robotics and machines to install therm, and refined riveting materials which are stronger than before. Also, composites being used more reduces the need for as many fasteners.

I have been an aerospace machinist for Boeing at the Everett factory and they still use lots of rivets, but not nearly as many as they used to.

How advanced can rivets get is the question, and if there are other intelligences using rivets, how much more advanced are they? They could be a thousand generations or more ahead, but then you might expect them to develop a method of joining things together without such droll things such as rivets, or would you?

Maybe they think if it isn't breaking, why fix it?

Are all humans friendly? Are all humans the same?

Pet peeve of mine. If there are off planet beings, why would anyone think they all behave the same?

Because it looked like rivets to a hunter in 1965 doesn't mean it was rivets. Perhaps it was a device attached to the craft, like a sensor lens, power coupling, static port, or something we haven't invented yet.

a reply to: Nickn3

That's what I wanted to say.

a reply to: Annee

Because it's the only pattern for such evolved species, my opinion of course.