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How have we established that consciousness happened millions of years ago when life began?
consciousness only really occurred millions of years after the onset of life itself.
I believe the original earth to be older than what many Christians say. I believe the original earth had not water on it. Water later came upon the earth When God's judgement came upon a being and his followers when he rebelled against God on this earth
A point being that animal life formed as result of cells that became different from bacterial cells and as a result there came organization of multicellular life
An Opening for Newcomers
In terms of a scientifically upgraded version of “human rights” that might be called “human citizenship,” let’s imagine this open-door immigration policy as ontological rather than geographical in nature. Thus, non–Homo sapiens may be allowed to migrate to the space of the “human.” Animal-rights activists believe they are already primed for this prospect. They can demonstrate that primates and aquatic mammals are not only sentient but also engaged in various higher cognitive functions, including what’s nowadays called “mental time-travel.” This is the ability to set long-term goals and pursue them to completion because the envisaged value of the goal overrides that of the diversions encountered along the way. While this is indeed a good empirical marker of the sort of autonomy historically required for republican citizenship, in practice animal-rights activists embed this point in an argument for de-facto species segregationism, a “separate but equal” policy, in which the only enforceable sense of “rights” is one of immunity from bodily harm from humans. It is the sense of “rights” qua dependency that a child or a disabled person might enjoy.
The fact that claims to animal rights carry no sense of reciprocal obligations on the part of the animals toward humans raises question about the activists’ sincerity in appealing to “rights” at all. However, if the activists are sincere, then they should also call for a proactive policy of what the science-fiction writer David Brin has termed “uplift,” whereby we prioritize research designed to enable cognitively privileged creatures, regardless of material origin, to achieve capacities enabling them to function as peers in what might be regarded as an expanded circle of humanity. Such research may focus on gene therapy or prosthetic enhancement, but in the end it would inform a Welfare State 2.0 that takes seriously our obligation to all those we regard as able to be rendered human, in the sense of fully autonomous citizens in the Republic of Humanity.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
From my personal Christian view. I believe the original earth to be older than what many Christians say. I believe the original earth had not water on it. Water later came upon the earth When God's judgement came upon a being and his followers when he rebelled against God on this earth. that is where Genesis 1:2 starts and everything after that second verse is how everything today is as it is.
But hey, I am just an ignorant fool and that is MHO.
Yes I do have verses from the Bible for my belief.
I hope I have not derailed the thread.
So the lines between what is human and what is animal are being blurred. What is the benefit of lowering man to the state of animal?
What agenda is behind this push - (not you personally)
Are we opening the doors to creating different classes of humans perhaps justifying labelling some as incurable or allowing uninformed testing on humans, euthanasia, genocide?
But what do I know I am just an ignorant Christian bible thumper with no knowledge of anything.
I will talk
I am just an ignorant Christian bible thumper
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Astyanax
there are more who think as I do but ok slay me at the altar of the gods of science.
slay me at the altar of the gods of science
A beginning before the earth was created, before there was depth to the heaven to place that earth in
Then because of some event they left their decreed place and a swaddling band was placed around it, that is when the Book says the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The waters were pour out of the fountains upon the earth Gen 1:2 is a flood (and not the flood of Noah either). It was an earlier judgement to destroy the throne that Lucifer tried to exalt about the throne of heaven.
Now if I take this section literally there are a few things to see.
Pr 8:22-24 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
the scriptures reveals that wisdom was the starting context. But when it gets to this verse a concept of thought, that is wisdom, is spoken of as a person. Upon deeper examination of scriptures we see it is speaking of someone other than LORD (JHVH) and it is someone the LORD from his, the LORD’s, beginning he, The LORD brought forth and wanted to set up and did so from Everlasting. To the Christian the one being possessed, set up and was brought forth was a pre-incarnation existence of who we know as Jesus Christ.
Pr 8:22-24 ¶ The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Ge 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.